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And now, without further ado, your host, Riskal. [00:02:42] Speaker C: Hello and welcome, everyone. It is the Red Pill reality Show. It's an honor and a privilege to have you join me tonight. I'm going to have Tom Pepe with me and I think my friend may join me. Tom has had, you know, if you look at it through Tom's eyes, it has been hell for him on earth trying to make his way through the legal barriers that stop sometimes people from justice just what is right. You know, sometimes it is so obvious what is right, but then the legal people step in and just mess it all up. And so we'll get a full story on that tonight. He's going to give me an update we had him on a while back. It was kind of horrific. Some of the things that were done to him. Think of what happened to Trump on a much smaller scale. But you see what's happened. I mean, you see it on a national scale, what they did to a previous president, how they ran him through the. Through the mill, attempted to break him free. You know, fortunately for many of us who support him, that. That isn't the case. So anyway, Tom will be on and we'll have a. A deeper discussion about that. In the meantime, there's something that I. There's something that I had mentioned on my shows many times years back. I haven't mentioned it in quite a while, but it came up on one of my feeds, and it is the Georgia Guidestones. I've had many. I. I've had people literally tell me to my face they cannot be friends with me because my outlook for the future is too pessimistic. This is right after I. Right after I told him about them Georgia Guidestones. Roscala, you're such a conspiracy theorist. Okay, listen, for us conspiracy theorists, I think we're batting like 37 out of 37 right now. Right? All right, So I want to play this for just a couple of minutes long, but just to refresh the memory, because I want to say something that I noticed when I watched this particular video. All right? So if you notice there was something apparently on. Might appear to be like the roof component of that. That thing. This. Take a close look at that now, if you understand, if you have any idea how these people think. And I. I don't pretend that I do, but I think I have an inclination they're purely evil, Totally evil. Everything they do is evil. If you noticed in the video, the first line, the very first line says to maintain humanity with nature at 500. 500 million. I may have it backwards. Those basic words bringing humanity down, the population down to 500. Educating on responsible reproduction. And it's just. It sounds great, but what it really boils down to is more power for them and more of our rights being stripped from us. So understanding that these people, they're just purely evil. There's no way around it. I think what we're looking at here is blood. A blood sacrifice done to this monument in order for it to take spiritually. I may be wrong, but I can't think of. I don't see any pipes up there that could rust and leave. I don't see anything up there that could do. Leave that kind of a, you know, remains. And it's too bad because it was. I didn't know this until just recently. I didn't see this until just a couple of days ago, I had never bothered to look up on, on the top of this thing. But I really believe that's blood. Bible says that we're not in a spirit, a physical battle, we're in a spiritual battle. And not to question the Bible, but I, I kind of feel we're like a little bit of both. These people have set their, their curse in place. And then I guess maybe somebody figured out, I don't know when that, that, I don't know when that showed up. I have no idea when this showed up, because it is running, you can see on the upper left leg of it. It's there as well. And if it's there, it probably ran down, so it was probably visible. But I, I've seen many pictures of it and I had never seen anything like that. So this may be recent with regard to how when it was originally put up. It may not have been originally put up. Excuse me. It may not have originally have been there when it was put up. It may have been applied at some later date. But I really think that's blood is what we're looking at. And it is, is truly alarming if you, if you don't know what the Georgia Godstones said. Look it up, look it up. It's pretty scary. What makes it scary is that sadly, there are people who are in power that can make this happen. When you realize that there are families, private families, that have more money than a freaking country. There are families that have more, more money than our country. And money speaks, baby. It's sad. It's too bad that that's the way things are. But money speaks. So if you've got trillions of dollars or hundreds of, or hundreds of billions and, or whatever, you can buy yourself anything, Buy yourself a country if you want. Get yourself a bunch of mercenaries, buy a bunch of marketing, get the people in the country to be unsatisfied with the existing government, have the people in the country overthrow the government, then you throw your people in place. Sound familiar? That's the reality that we live in. And I'm, I'm sad to admit it because when I found out a lot of this stuff, it really messed me up mentally when I found out that the war that, that I was in when I was in the service in the Air Force, the Vietnam War, was all based on a lie. And I found that information on a government site. So it wasn't like one of those conspiracy things. I thought I was having a mental breakdown. I thought I, I, I'M telling you, as God is my witness. I thought I was dreaming. I'm gonna wake up. This can't be true. Our government doesn't go kill people over a lie. We just don't do that. We have more honor than that. Stupid, ignorant. Maybe not stupid. Ig. I thought I was having a mental breakdown. I really did. I couldn't believe that this was my reality. I went and enlisted in the service believing that what I was doing was preserving freedom. Only to find out that the war that I served in, during the time that I served, the war that was occurring during the time that I served, I was fortunate. Two weeks before I was headed to Vietnam, I was called back. Two weeks. I was sweating bullets because I had friends that went, did not come back. I had friends that came back. They weren't the same just horrific things that they were exposed to. Two weeks. But when I found out that, that it was all based on a lie, the whole thing was a lie. I, I was, I was again, I was ignorant. I didn't understand that wars were a money machine, a very big money machine. And that the continuation of these cold wars that hold them was a tremendous profit for them. They make. And when you have someone who is supporting both sides, remember earlier I told you there are families that have more money then countries. They support both sides because they win. It doesn't matter. The loser, they take over the country. The winner, they get all the money that, that the winner spent on buying all the garbage that they needed to kill people. So when I found that out that was in 2002, what started that whole thing for me was 9 11. I did a show on 911 just a couple of three weeks ago. I think it was. There's too many questions, way too many quotes. And I. I make statements and people say, roscala, I can't listen to you anymore. You're just flipped out, crazy. One of the statements that I make and I still make today, and I am firmly standing behind it, there were no aircraft. I know some of them are going, oh my God, here we go. Go do a little research. Go watch some of the videos carefully. Slow them down. There's one particular video that you can watch. It's still up. And I think it's cbs. I may be wrong about the network, but I think it's cbs. And the aircraft is headed towards the building and there are some buildings in the background. And as it passes by these buildings in the background, the wing disappears. That doesn't happen in real life. That's one number Two, think about the way the aircraft entered into the building. It is as though the aircraft were heated knives red hot, and the building was softened butter. The building basically sucked the aircraft in. There's another video that if you look carefully, you can find these. They're still up. There's another video that shows the building from the side aircraft entering the front of the building and coming out the rear. And then, oh, that was a mistake backing it back out again. They were cgi. If anybody saw anything, it was more than likely a hologram. There are technologies that are being withheld from us that would blow your mind, totally blow your mind. And I can witness to you. That's a fact. Because when I was in the service, when I was in the air Force in 1970. 1970, yeah. God knows, a long time ago, when I was in the Air Force, serving in the Air Force, we had remote. Now this is 1970, mind you. We had remote controlled aircraft that were controlled by computers on the ground. The remote controlled drones that we shot up had receivers on them that when our fighters would go up, this was to hone out their fighting abilities. When our fighters will go up and chase these things and they would do maneuvers to, you know, to get the fighters to hone their skills. The fighters would shoot lasers. 1970, they would shoot lasers at these drones and the drones, depending upon where the laser hit the drone, the computer down on the ground would record that hit. And if it was a severe hit, the drone would shut down and parachute back down and we would go recover the drone and do it over again. 1970, the computer I worked with the base supply, I worked right next to the computer building. The computer that we had then was, it had its own ground. It didn't have the regular floor like the rest of the building. It had its own floor, static floor. The guy looked like a doctor that was in there. Wore a net over his head, over his hair, wore white. It was enclosed in its own air conditioned system, an enclosed system separate from the rest of the building. The size of this thing was the size of probably a garage, a large two car garage. And took this computer system. We have more computing power today in our phones than we had in the computer system that I was exposed to. But that computer system was for base supply. The computer systems that were for controlling the drones. You had to have a top secret. My, my clearance was secret. You had to have a top secret even to get the parts, because we had to look at the deals, we had to look at the technical manuals to look up for the parts. So if you didn't have top secret, you couldn't access any of it. But we knew they were there. We knew obviously they were there shooting these drones up and they're being controlled by on the ground. Technology is being held with us. Technology that could greatly, greatly advance our lives, make us much, much make our lives much easier. And I'm not talking about AI. AI is a scary thing if you understand that these people, these evil sick psychopaths will tell you what they're going to do. This is one of the laws that they have. They have to tell you what they're going to do before they do it. How they tell you could be a variety of ways. They may be able to, to get the message across, maybe on a billboard one day or in a video or in a movie or in music. But they will get the message to you. Sometimes it's encrypted, sometimes it's not encrypted, sometimes it's just right in your face. But they will tell you what they're going to do before they do it. Why am I saying this? We have AI Coming up where President Trump has said he is going to get. I think it was 500 billion, $500 billion towards AI. If anybody remembers the, the several movies that came out. We have the Terminator. We already have Terminators, believe it or not. They're already existing. They're just not out in the public yet. But we have Terminators. And then we had one that was called I Am Robot with Will Smith. He's driving along in his auto car, auto driving car. All of a sudden the car Will is, is speaking out about something he doesn't like. He, he, if I'm going by memory, he, he feels that the robots can't be trusted. He's going to see his mom or something like that. He's driving down the highway and he's on autopilot and all of a sudden this, what appears to be looks like a bus or something pulls up alongside of him and this thing begins to try to ram him side by side. He takes control of the vehicle and, and takes off. My point being is they're telling us right now, right then in these movies many times what they're to do. Many times. If you don't pay attention, it'll be a complete surprise to you. Many people were told about 911 long before 911 happened. There's a video that is still available on, online. If you want to know the truth, go look up this video. The name of the Video is the lone gunman. Go look up the lone Gunman and you will find a video that indicates what was going to happen six or seven months before 9, 11. And yet we had representatives of the government standing before the press saying, oh, we had no idea that they would ever take aircraft and use them as weapons against the people. People. Ask me what happened to the people on the aircraft call. If there were no aircraft, what happened to the original aircraft? I don't know. I can tell you. It reminds me of the Northwoods Project. Look up the Northwoods Project, a project that was presented to President Kennedy. They were going to do a very similar thing. They were going to take a commercial aircraft, launch it from Miami International Airport, fly it over Homestead Air Base. Just as it got over the air base, another aircraft identically marked to the original aircraft was going to fly up in its place. So this thing would fall below the radar for a minute. So it would go blip off the radar. And then within a couple of seconds, maybe another, the same thing shows up again. They got the same EPIRB on it. It's this to radar. Looks like the same aircraft. Fly it over the, Fly it over the. The Atlantic. Get it right near the, right near the Cuban waterways and then have, have it report back that it was, it was being attacked by Cuban migs. We're being attacked by Cuban migs. Blow the aircraft up so that there's all kinds of leftovers in the water. We can see. Oh, that's an act of war. Kennedy didn't like that. Then of course, they tried to Bay of Pigs. That didn't go over very well either. My point being is that sadly, it is sad for me to tell you this because I served our country believing that I was doing good. And my message with regard to the government, they're not your friend. I don't care who's up there. I don't care. I know a lot of people say, oh, Trump, Trump, Trump. Maybe he's doing a good job. You know, I don't. I'm not there and behind the scenes to tell you, I can tell you on the surface at least, I am glad that he's getting rid of these illegal people. But there's a lot of things he's doing I'm not too happy with. Gas go down for you guys? Haven't gone down for me. Did your price at the grocery store gone down? We were told that these things were going to get under control. They say they are. I don't know where I'm at. They're not. They're basically the same as they were before. Actually. Gas went up about 5 cents, I guess because of Memorial Day. It's crazy, the games they play with us. You see a holiday coming up, you see the summer coming up. The price of gas goes up. Why? Because they know people want to drive. [00:23:04] Speaker B: What? [00:23:06] Speaker C: And it. What hurts me, what really hurts me is that I have the knowledge that we can run our cars on. On different. It doesn't have to be petrol, doesn't have to be that we can run our cars on water and people. Here we go. We're off the deep end. Moscow is going. There are people who have done it. I had. I had built this little contraption they called an HHO generator. Hydrogen generator. Stuck it in my car. I couldn't get the car to run strictly on the. On the. On the hydrogen. The hydrogen was coming from water and splitting the water and turning it into hydrogen and oxygen. I couldn't get enough to run the car, but I got enough to supplement the mileage. Supplemented my knock my mileage up to 25. First time was 50%. Then the stupid computers catch on and they knock it back down. And I was getting 22 miles to the gallon without it. And when I started using it, I jumped up to like 29. [00:24:01] Speaker B: Wow. [00:24:02] Speaker C: The technology is there. There's many people in the past who have invented when the cars had carburetors. They don't have carburetors anymore. Everything's fuel injected. More control. When the cars had carburetors. There were people who invented carburetors that the cars were getting over 100 miles to the gallon. Those people either disappeared or were bought off. There was a man back in the mid-70s by the name of Stanley Meyer. [00:24:25] Speaker B: Stanley. [00:24:26] Speaker C: He was ticked off at the. At our situation because the Arabs had decided to do this thing called an Arab embargo. The oil that we were getting from Saudi Arabia was being held back on purpose to punish us. And he felt that, my God, here is a country that's smaller than the size of Texas and has brought our whole country to its knees. For those of you who did not experience that, thank God you didn't. There were lines that over an hour long, you could only get five gallons of gas. You were not allowed to put gas in any containers, only in your car during that whole thing. Stanley said, I'm not putting up with. This is ridiculous. He figured out a way to take water and turn it into fuel. He broke it down. Water is what? H2O2 hydro. Two molecules of hydrogen, one molecule of oxygen. He broke them down. The perfect ratio for tremendous amount of energy if it's subjected to fire. Ran it through a dune buggy and you can see it's on, still on, on. There's still videos that you can still see. Stanley Meyer. Water, gas or gas or what? I can't remember exactly what is water for? Fuel or something like that. Sadly for Stanley, as a patriot, because that's what he was trying to be, as a patriot, he went to the government, say, hey, guess what? You guys never have to worry about fuel for any of your, your vehicles or your ships. You get your ship out there, think about it. Think about how much fuel an aircraft carrier has to carry unless they're nuclear. But if they're not, if they are these other ships, how much fuel they have to carry if they're diesel or whatever they run. Don't have to worry about that anymore. Use the ocean. His mistake was going to the government. He didn't last, but several years after that, because he was the government, found out he was going to come out with an injector plug. He figured out how to break the water down very quickly, very efficiently, and he was going to come out with an injector plug. He figured out how to get a, a trans. What am I trying to say? A transfer of, of fuel from, from water, from gasoline to water. It was going to be. You take these injector plugs out of your car, which just about every car has now. Injector plugs, take him out of your car. You put these injector plugs in, you put one of his computers in, and now the car runs on water. You fill your tank up with water, and you probably need to fill your tank up once every two or three months. You get hundreds of gallons, hundreds of miles per gallon. When you're, when you're dealing with water, God forbid you get in an accident. God forbid you run over something on the highway and it punctures your gas tank. It's not a gas tank, it's a water tank. No big deal. How much is going to cost you to travel with regard to fuel, Right? Stanley was murdered a couple of years afterwards when the government found out that he was inventing. He's working on the invention of the plug. He was murdered. He was having dinner with his brother and another friend and took a bite of something. He said, I've been poisoned. I've been poisoned and dropped dead. So time and again, technology exists that would help us, that would make our lives so much easier. But that technology instead, if it cannot be controlled, if it cannot be profited from, then it cannot come forward. And in many cases, for example, I'm sure people have heard of these things called the med beds. These med beds are purposely being withheld from us. I knew about med beds, what 12, 18 years ago was 20, 18 years ago. I heard about med beds. I had seen what, what somebody would call a med bed. It was, it was called an, an emf. Pemf. A pemf. It's like a, a mat that you lay. It was a body length mat that you laid on and this thing presented you with different frequencies and in the process of doing that it helps the circulation of your body. So when you, you sit on this thing for half an hour and you get up and your circulation is like, like a race car. You know, you may went in like a Volkswagen. Now it's like a race car. I, I experienced it. It was, it was amazing. You know back then were like 25, 000. Not very many people could afford them. But now from what I understand, they're going to be available. Supposedly allegedly they're going to be available and this they're going to be for was a disabled vets first. I think I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting. There are things that are happening that I'm very, very appreciative of. I, I am appreciative of getting rid of the people who don't belong here because many of them we know have ill intentions for other people. So I'm, I'm grateful for that. I'm, I'm grateful for the Maha movement. The, finally because I have, I have two of them. I have two. A nephew and a niece. When they were very young, their parents were having a very difficult time with them, especially after they had particular candies and we found out later on it was red number 40. They were having reactions to red number 40 and it was just, it was like a, it was like a. I can't remember the name of that ball. Zip ball. It was, it was like this, it was like a. If you've ever seen a cartoon where the characters are bouncing literally off the walls, it was like that. If you ever had an animal that had the zoomies, it was kind of like that and you couldn't slow them down. It was like, oh my God, what happened to these people? So that's just one thing. There's so many things that are in. Our food is no longer food. Our food is a representation of something we eat and tastes good. That's really what it all boils down to is taste. Anymore it's not. Has really nothing to do with nutritional value. It's about taste. If it tastes good. Hey. Then we'll go ahead and do it. I'm looking for Pete. I'm sorry, I'm looking. Yeah, looking for time. I apologize. All right, well, he hasn't arrived yet. And we. I typically take a break right around now. I'm gonna take a quick break. I'll see if I can get a hold of Tom and find out where he's at. I see my friend is on. Okay, so we'll. We'll bring him on as well. And we'll take a quickie. If I can find my. Somewhere in there. Here we go. You're listening to the Red Pill reality show. We'll be right back. [00:31:21] Speaker E: I can't help but look around and feel like things are getting out of. [00:31:25] Speaker F: Hand. [00:31:28] Speaker E: We've been told to trust the science but the science just doesn't make sense they say it isn't mandatory but they also say you jab at your. [00:31:36] Speaker B: Job. [00:31:39] Speaker E: But if it doesn't stop the spread it makes it feel like this is just a facade what about the health care workers? What about the frontline nurses? How quickly we forget the day we working 18 hours a day what about informed consent? What about due diligence? It seems a country that I used to call home is surely slipping away I can't help but look around and feel like minds are slowly starting to change Cuz even if you're triple vaccinated know that segregation isn't the way Freedom is a choice and it's available to all if we choose but first things first gotta turn off the news yeah what about the healthcare workers? What about the frontline nurses? How quickly we forget that they were working 18 hours a day? What about informed consent? What about Dr. The Legends? It seems the country that I used to call home is surely slipping away if you're late to the party there's plenty room with the table this side don't discriminate I'm calling on every single man, woman, child of the able it's time to take the streets and liberate but please don't be a part of the problem staying willfully ignorant Cuz there's just way too much at stake yo, it's okay to change the your mind you can admit you were wrong Cuz where there's perfect love there ain't no shame Heavenly father, show me what I don't understand yet I got my Marching orders. I don't fully know the plan yet. Hold on to my bible before bed. No, it ain't van yet. Did you know the makers of the vaccine make the Xanax? I would never lean on corporations for morality. Cuz they put their profits over people for their salaries. No, they want to make you bend the me for your normality. I know you you feeling all alone. But in reality, there's way more of us than them. There's way more of us than them. There's way more of us than them. There's way more of us than them. There's way more of us than them. [00:34:06] Speaker C: That's the truth. [00:34:07] Speaker E: There's way more of us than them. There's way more of us than them. There's way more of us. There's way more. [00:35:23] Speaker B: And we're back. Hope you didn't go too far because we have more interesting and thought provoking information for you. Coming up on the red pill reality show. [00:35:42] Speaker C: All right, we are back. It is a red pill reality show. Thank you for joining. Greatly appreciate it. All right, so right now I've got my friend Eric. Eric is a probation attorney. He's someone I've known for many years. If you happen to know of anybody that is in need of a probation attorney, I would without question very quickly recommend Eric. Let me bring him on. Eric, welcome to red pill reality show. [00:36:09] Speaker A: Hey, buddy, how you doing? [00:36:10] Speaker C: Good, good. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Let me. Let me correct you for a second though. You said probation, so no criminal law here, my friend. Probate, Probate. [00:36:18] Speaker C: I'm sorry. [00:36:21] Speaker A: So if you need any criminal attorneys, I'm sure I could refer them, but certainly did. I handle that myself, so. [00:36:28] Speaker C: All right, yeah, thank you. I apologize. [00:36:30] Speaker A: No, no worries. Like I wanted to clarify in case some of your listeners were looking for a criminal attorney, so. [00:36:36] Speaker C: Cool. All right, here comes Tommy. Welcome to the red pill reality show. [00:36:42] Speaker B: Good evening, Stephen, how are you? [00:36:44] Speaker C: Good, my friend. And is Ted. I have Ted. Your friend. Is that. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:49] Speaker C: Okay, so we have Ted as well. Ted, welcome to the red pill reality show. You are muted, my friend. Unmute your microphone. [00:36:58] Speaker B: As they say. I'm making sense. How you doing? [00:37:01] Speaker C: All right, so Tommy, give us a Reader's digest version for those of us who don't know what that means. It means like the short version because him and I have talked about this and we could do this for hours, but just a kind of a quick overview so people have an idea what all of this is about. [00:37:22] Speaker B: Okay. So the last time I was here we were speaking about the process in the. In the probate courts in Lee County, Florida, and what I had experienced. And I'm still battling the probate of my father, Eugene Pepe. And there's all bumps and new hurdles at this point. But real briefly, my father died in 2020. We. I was named personal administrator of his estate. As I went through the probate, I had an attorney, actually had several attorneys who withdraw from my case for one reason or another based upon. They. What they told me was the concerns that I had. They, the probate judges didn't want to hear it, which is the criminality. That's what I was told by both attorneys, that they didn't want to deal with it. They wanted to push through the probate, that's what their job was, and settle the estate as the personal administrator. I understood that and felt that, thought that the only proper thing to do was to deal with the whole picture. I mean, how could you possibly have a final accounting in an estate when a brother has three retirement accounts that he won't disclose to the court? So, so they're their rush, rush, rush to get me to the end of this probate was going to leave me very vulnerable to a lot of criminality, so to speak, things that I shouldn't have done. And I think that they thought that I would fall for. For any. For. Well, for all of it, because Lord knows we tried to do everything. But I stand tall in what. It's just really common sense. I'm not an attorney, Stephen. I have never been through this process. I was never an administrator or an executor in an estate. So I was familiarizing myself with this. And it was, you know, I'd never been through this experience. Okay. I had lost a lot of people in my life, including a best friend when I was in my early 20s. And I understood that when someone passed away, things were quiet. And then my father's passing. There's a lot of people coming at me, a lot of chit chat, a lot of gossip, a lot of accusations towards me, a lot of hostile behavior, a lot of anger. I was so confused. I was so upset. And then I tried to deal with the fact of what really occurred in his death. And you and I have talked about this, and I believe he was murdered. I mean, the, the. You connect the dots and it tells you what occurred. This is all, you know, everything that I speak about, Stephen, is all things that they. People in my father's probate did or didn't do. So when I'm explaining things that I think my father was murdered, it's because, well, Stephen Pepe has two of my father's mail before certificate. How does that happen? I go to the post office to confirm that they delivered his mail or didn't deliver his mail is what I was expecting to hear. Because when I went down to do a bio, had to clean up, which I thought was strange to begin with. When the sheriff's office called me to tell me that he had passed away, they said, yeah, I need to come down here and do a biohazard cleanup. And I thought that was very strange because I googled it and it talks a lot about homicide, murder, whatever. I just didn't expect that. And so when I got down there, I expected to see a lot of mail in his mailbox. I mean, he decomposed the 17 days I was told I was the only person in my father's life. My other three siblings had nothing to do with him for over 20 years. And Stephen Pepe, the probate court, confirms that in his opposition of me being the administrator. So it was very confusing to me. I couldn't understand in one breath. They're telling me they don't want anything to do with my father. They don't want any of his money, they don't want this, they don't want that. But yet they're in the court fighting me every step of the way. And I didn't understand why. Now I understand. [00:41:38] Speaker C: Let me ask you, is the, the issue that you're having right now, the problems that you're running into, are they primarily because of probate? [00:41:50] Speaker B: Oh, well, okay. First of all, the issues are this. The probate is at a standstill. They can't close the probate because I have all of my criminality questions that concerns in, in that case. And so I presented to the judges, Elaine Labota, who recused herself a long time ago, then Mr. McHugh, Judge Michael McHugh, Honorable Michael McHugh was supposed to be closing this probate out. And so I presented to him, you know, I also present that there's no administrator over this, this probate in over two years. And how are they going to close this out? And we just did a foreclosure proceeding. How does, where's the final accounting going to come from? Who's doing it? And so I, I, I, I motioned for a new administrator, and that goes on defi as like everything else. Did Elaine, Judge Elaine Labota actually took, I don't even know how many motions of mine and just called them a nullity and threw them all out. I mean, she Threw out everything I said requested. [00:42:55] Speaker C: Let me get back to the question, though. Is. Is. Is the issue that you're running into because probate was when your dad had passed away and passed on however that happened. Is it because it wasn't? Is it. I'm trying to figure out how to warn it. Is it because he didn't leave instructions or he didn't leave the will? Did he have a will? [00:43:15] Speaker B: He had a will. It's gone. [00:43:17] Speaker C: And the will is gone. You're not able to present the will? [00:43:21] Speaker B: No, sir. Okay, so it's an intestate case. [00:43:25] Speaker C: What. The point I'm trying to get at is if this. Had this been set up properly, then you probably would not be going through all of this. [00:43:32] Speaker B: Not at all. Not at all. Yes. That's fair. You know, and, Stephen, I want to say this. I loved my brothers and sisters, and it would have. Didn't. It wouldn't have been any problem for me to divide the estate however they wanted. So I don't understand why this is a problem, because even if it was an intestate case, let's just say I had no problem splitting it however way they wanted it. My life is not governed by money. It never has been, it never will be. So it's a. It's a problem of many different factors. Family, probate attorneys, not everybody. Not every judge is crooked. Not every attorney is. Is. Is not good. I'm not saying that because I've come across amazing people, amazing judges, amazing attorneys. What they want you to believe is that the entire system is corrupt. And what I'm just learning, just as we get to this point from the last time I saw you, is that that's not so. Because what they do is they overcast the shadow of belief that everybody is against you and that it's everybody. And then it's every attorney and it's every judge. And it's very easy to fall into. Into that thinking mode. Huh? [00:45:00] Speaker C: What. What caused you to feel that way or what would cause. Remember, to feel that way? [00:45:04] Speaker B: They're narrating the whole story through the court, through the probate. So the. [00:45:09] Speaker A: The. [00:45:09] Speaker B: The important factor is, is that they have to be the narrator. So while they're narrating everything, the. The story that they're telling and the actors that they have participating are naturally against you because it's going to benefit them somehow. So they're all benefiting somehow. I'm not sure how I would guess monetarily, but I can't say. Maybe they owe each other's favors who knows? I don't know. But I do know that part of this stratagem is to get you to think that it's everywhere. And I'm just now realizing that it's not true, that there are really some amazing law enforcement people out there that are behind me, that are hearing me, that are supporting me, that are following the law and seeing that I'm heard and that my father. The state is handled properly with dignity. My father, you know, my father was a veteran of the Korean War. He. He had epilepsy as a result. So his whole life. And so he suffered his whole life because of that. And so to me, it's very personal because I was in his life, and I know the struggles he had, and I know what it took for him to just. To support his four children financially and emotionally. And his wife, his two wives, actually, he's married twice. So I know the extra hurdles he had to go through because I not only witnessed them, but I felt them. And so. [00:46:41] Speaker C: So where do you feel at this point? Where do you feel that the law had. Or the. Or, yeah, the law has stepped in, or the law is being. Is causing you not to be able to reach, you know, your final destination, Put this, all this to rest. Is it. Is it the court? Is it a judge? Is it a lawyer? Is it. Is it your family? Or is it everything? [00:47:02] Speaker B: It's a combination of everyone. It's a combination of a huge rico. And this term I just discovered yesterday, which it just. I've just was blown away by it. A huge RICO enterprise where there's a lot of people involved that are all a part of the same agenda. And so it's. It's a little bit of everything. See, here's. I got lucky because the buyer in my father's estate, who claims I breached the contract, a real estate contract with him for my father's house, which is false. He's the one that actually breached it. But he's narrating the story that I breached the contract. And so the judge, Elaine Lobota, doesn't hear any of my defenses, showing her the proof and evidence that, no, he's the one that actually, he's presenting you a different contract. So she doesn't hear any of that. So what happens is it stalls the estate for two years. What winds up happening is the house goes into foreclosure, which is what my brother wants, because now he's going to be buying it back at pennies on the dollar and cutting me out of my share, unbeknownst to Me. So they think. And so I have to go through the process. There's nothing I can do because the. So the foreclosure process is separate from the probate. The bank wants their money and they don't care. [00:48:27] Speaker C: And that attorney, if you saw. If you solve the probate, it will solve the foreclosure. Is that fair to say? [00:48:35] Speaker B: That's exactly right. There shouldn't have been a foreclosure. [00:48:39] Speaker C: Hung up. Correct. Right now. And the reason, aside from your family, the legal aspect of the holdup is what. Why are they saying, well, we can't go any. We have to stop here? [00:48:55] Speaker B: Well, they just stopped there. So what happens is that my father's house goes into foreclosure last year, 2024, June 13th. So for a year, nothing has happened. The bank got their money, the house was auctioned off, which I'm not going to go into that, but it's all turned off. And the probate is. The probate matters like the, the whole part of the estate is not closed as a case. It's still left open because nobody has done anything. Nobody has assigned a new administrator, Nobody has done a final accounting. Nobody even knows what's what there anymore. [00:49:31] Speaker C: Because where's the paperwork for the accounting? Who has that? [00:49:35] Speaker B: That's a good question, I would imagine. Stephen Pepe has it. [00:49:39] Speaker C: That's your brother. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Because all of that was robbed before I even got to. [00:49:45] Speaker C: How did he get a hold of that? If you were the original. If I understand you correctly, you were the original administrator, am I right? [00:49:51] Speaker B: Correct. Stephen. They, they have all my father's finances before my father's. How can I say? They have. My father's. Fine. My father, they had to get the finances before my father died. So what they do is. It's a combination. It's a, it's a, it's almost like it's got to be timed, you know, they're, they're, they're stalking his house, if. [00:50:16] Speaker C: I understand what you're saying, so to speak, in terms of overall time, the last minute they stepped into his life and they became, they became nosy, if you will. And, and he didn't know all this stuff, and then he passed away. And they're, they, they had physical possession of stuff that you were supposed to have. Is that, is that fair? [00:50:37] Speaker B: Yes. And, and, yeah, my father dies, I go down to his house. There's no mail in the mailbox. Now, I'm the only one that was told by the. According to the detective in Lee county that they called me to tell me he passed away. They didn't call any other family members. I didn't call anybody but my partner, my friend Ted Long, and my sister in law, Maria. So how my brothers and sisters knew he was dead and how they got that mail before I even got down there 24 hours is really odd because they got two weeks of his prior mail before he died. [00:51:12] Speaker C: You're sure that neither one of your siblings were told before you. [00:51:16] Speaker B: Well, even if they were. So they sat at the mailbox every day waiting for the mailman to come. [00:51:22] Speaker C: Oh, I don't know. They live nearby. [00:51:27] Speaker A: The mail could have been changed electronically within a postal service. So that would have avoided having. [00:51:33] Speaker C: Oh, they could have put in a change of. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but if my father was alive, my father would have realized he wasn't getting any mail and would have called the post office. I mean, here's my point. Somebody had to know he was dead to either electronically get that mail changed or sit by that mailbox. Because my father. My father got a lot of mail. I. I have a copy of his credit report. The man was as shrewd as anything. He died with an 800 credit score. So he moved money around. He was part of the military. He knew what he was doing. And so he was having a lot of things going on, God bless him. And so somebody had to have known, because if the mailman's bringing the mail to his box and he's dead, let's say upstairs by the third day, they told me they would have left a note in the mailbox. Please come to the post office to get your mail. Yeah, that's almost for three weeks. Three weeks of mail? [00:52:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:28] Speaker B: Linda Catano, I would talk to her. She buys a house in Naples six months before my father's dead. [00:52:36] Speaker C: So at this point, you're kind of frozen with regard to the probate issue. You just, you're just. Yeah, you're. You're at their mercy. Is that a fair statement? Because you're waiting for them to say, okay, now we can go forward. [00:52:50] Speaker B: Yeah, well, now they can close the estate. But I don't know. I don't see how. Listen, I'm not an attorney, Stephen. I'm just going by my experience, and I'm just wondering, well, how are they going to close this estate if they come to me and say, well, where's your accounting? I don't have any accounting. [00:53:05] Speaker C: I mean, if you're. Why would they come to you? If your brother is the administrator, why. [00:53:09] Speaker A: Is the administrator the only one that is right required to Provide an accounting or get a waiver of accounting. The other beneficiaries are not the administrator. [00:53:18] Speaker C: Hang on, Tom. Say it again. [00:53:20] Speaker A: Okay, so here's the thing. You at one point, Tom, were the personal representative of the estate, but then you were removed. [00:53:26] Speaker B: At some point I had to resign due to health reasons. [00:53:32] Speaker A: And then your brother was appointed. Now, you mentioned, you mentioned Stephen was never appointed. [00:53:38] Speaker B: No one was ever appointed. [00:53:39] Speaker A: Okay. See, no one after you. Usually the court will at some point. They're not going to let it be no one serving. At some point, even if they point like an, like a curator or something like that, they would point an outsider to serve in that role. Usually when the parties can't agree. So. But no one was thinking about it. Is the thing about. I want to find out a little bit more. I want to find out about the assets, because you mentioned this condo. But okay, it's a house, but it's Homestead property. So what happens is through the court, an order is should be issued distributing between you and your siblings, making the four of you the owners directly, not in the estate. Because the estate can't sell the house. The four of you individually would be selling the house. [00:54:28] Speaker B: I was told if we agreed upon that, my attorney back then said two things can happen. Either it can go through Homestead or you can, as the administrator, you can sell the house and it goes through the court. So. [00:54:41] Speaker A: No, that's not correct. That's not correct at all. [00:54:43] Speaker B: That's what I was told. [00:54:44] Speaker A: No, it's Homestead property, which means it goes to the four of you. Now, if you get four of you can't agree, then a partition is involved, which is basically another process outside. That's exactly what I'm told. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Yes. [00:54:54] Speaker A: Where you go to. Where you guys, they go to a separate judge to get the house sold, and then, you know, that's taken care of. But that's outside. [00:55:02] Speaker B: Well, that's what I was told and that's what I, I thought I, I conveyed to you. But yes, that's exactly what I was told that we would have to go through the court. A petition, partition. [00:55:11] Speaker A: Partition. Besides, besides the Homestead property, what other assets were involved? [00:55:19] Speaker B: He had several retirement accounts that Steven Pepe tells me he has three of, and they're valued anywhere up to $6 million is what. [00:55:29] Speaker A: Well, let me, let me ask you to confirm because you had mentioned something at the beginning about him not providing documentation. But if it's a retirement account, typically there are a lot of beneficiary designation forms that are filled out. That's right. If those are filled out, those are outside of probate. [00:55:45] Speaker B: That's right. [00:55:46] Speaker A: Whatever's on the beneficiary designation. So if you're saying that potentially your brother got to your father beforehand before death. Death. And maybe got him to change forms and your father didn't know what he was doing, perhaps that's a separate matter. That's a litigation directly against your brother for undue influence. [00:56:04] Speaker B: That's not what I'm alleging. [00:56:06] Speaker A: Okay. [00:56:07] Speaker B: My father would have never done that. My father wouldn't have done that. My father. [00:56:12] Speaker A: Okay, but if. But if that's the case and your brother was named as the beneficiary of those accounts, then perhaps there was undue influence on your brother's part against your father where he didn't. He wouldn't understand what he was signing at that point. [00:56:27] Speaker B: My father was coherent. My father was up on. My father was very mentally here. [00:56:33] Speaker A: That argument doesn't help you, though. [00:56:35] Speaker B: I understand. Oh, I understand what you're saying. I'm not disputing what you're saying, sir. What I'm saying is. [00:56:41] Speaker C: You don't think they could coerce him. They could convince him. [00:56:44] Speaker B: No, my witness. My witness here tonight will tell you. [00:56:47] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. [00:56:47] Speaker B: Absolutely not. [00:56:48] Speaker A: But if. Okay, but if there was no coercion, and presumably then your brother had gotten the. Or the beneficiary forms, named your brother the beneficiary, which. That argument doesn't really help you too much, then your bro. That's outside the probate court. The only asset of the estate would presumably just be the homestead property, which eventually would pass to the four of you as the heirs at law under Florida law. So probate, there's really no reason for the probate to be open longer than a year. Once the property is transferred out. That's it. Because no creditors are entitled to any assets from the homestead, unless there's a mortgage on the property or some sort of lien put on there by a construction company or the IRS or something like that. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Both happened. [00:57:34] Speaker A: Okay, so those are all case. They were creditors then. So then if you guys had gotten a homestead order and were then deemed the owners, the four of you would then have to agree on selling it. So I guess that was another issue. None of you agreed on being able to sell the property, or was there just. [00:57:50] Speaker B: No, I. I sold the house four times. [00:57:55] Speaker A: Yeah, but you couldn't sell it. You can't sell it alone. [00:57:57] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I don't want to. I shouldn't say that. Let me rephrase that. I brought buyers to My probate attorney to work through the probate process to do whatever we needed to do to get the probate resolved, whether it was selling the house. You know, you couldn't do that. [00:58:17] Speaker A: That's my point. [00:58:18] Speaker B: I understand. Again, I'm not an attorney. [00:58:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:20] Speaker B: Yes. I'm just sharing my experience with you. So I don't know if it was right or wrong. I have no idea. Right. I'm learning as I go. And so I was doing what I was told by Stephen Rubino, my attorney, and throughout the process, I did exactly what he told me. He told me, get a real estate attorney, get a real estate agent, and you got to sell the house. So that's what I did. I got. I called Keller Williams and a real estate realtor came in and I brought the buyer to the. The realtor, and we. They were selling the house with contingencies that the attorney, probate attorney, and the probate judge were going to sign off about the sale of the house, the price and the conditions and everything. And so all I saw my role was, was just to paperwork, you know, file paperwork and let everybody know what. What was happening. [00:59:11] Speaker A: But your siblings would have had to sign off on that listing agreement. Otherwise, it's not a valid agreement. [00:59:16] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. We never got to it because here, what happens is the buyer immediately takes a lien out from my father's house and puts a lawsuit against me after he breached a contract. So. [00:59:28] Speaker A: Yeah, my whole point is your real estate agent never should have even gotten that far knowing that it was Homestead property. It was only a valid agreement once the four of you actually signed the listing agreement. [00:59:41] Speaker B: Now, I was told that it came out of Homestead because he was dead over a year. [00:59:46] Speaker A: No, doesn't work that way. [00:59:47] Speaker B: That's what the county told me. I called the county, the tax collector's office, and the woman. I have her emails and I don't remember her name, but. [00:59:54] Speaker A: No, no, you're talking to your nurse. [00:59:56] Speaker B: You're doing. [00:59:58] Speaker A: There's two different things you're talking about. Homestead for tax purposes is what you're referring to. That's tax purposes. Homestead for descending purposes. Under an estate that continues on in an intestate estate, it goes to the heirs at law under Florida law, which in your case would have been the four children. Now, it was just the four children. Were there any deceased kids or is it just the four of you? [01:00:18] Speaker B: No, it's just the four of us. [01:00:20] Speaker A: Okay, so the four of you became equal owners of that property. [01:00:23] Speaker B: That's fine. Yeah. [01:00:24] Speaker A: Which meant that the real. Any real estate agent should have been aware that all four of you had assigned a valid listing agreement. Otherwise, it wasn't a valid listing agreement. So that was another area that they kind of screwed you up on, Tommy, is that they. Real estate. A lot of the real estate agents and brokers are not aware of the laws that they need to. And they can't just go ahead and promise you they're going to sell the property when they can't even do so. You would have had to have. Have all four of you involved in that process. Which. [01:00:54] Speaker B: And I don't know this for a fact. I don't know this for a fact, right here's the problem. My siblings were not willing to communicate with me. Now, my siblings and I were very friendly up until my father died, so I don't know why, but they decided they no longer wanted to talk to me. So the communication, they severed the communication immediately. And I didn't know what. So what winds up happening is, is I'm just reporting to my attorney, right? And I say, Steven Rubino, Maria, your. Your sister, your cousin is telling me that you're a probate lawyer. Okay? So then Maria, his cousin tells me, listen, I have a buyer for the house. So I call Stephen Rubino, Steven, Maria, your cousin's telling me that she has a buyer. How do we do this? So he says, get in the contract. I said, where do I get a contract? He says, google it. Google. A Florida con. A real estate contract. General. So I do it, right? I go into contract with the buyer. [01:01:51] Speaker A: That's the whole point. That's the whole point. It's not a valid contract. Then your attorney completely advised you wrong. [01:02:02] Speaker B: I don't know if I believe so. [01:02:03] Speaker A: So basically, here's the thing. What should have happened is the homestead order should have been issued. If your siblings were not responding to you at all, then you should have reached out to a real estate attorney just to handle a partition action. That would have reached out to the court. Well, that would have been another. Another court. That would not have been the probate court, okay? Once. Once it was out of the probate's estate, it would go into you directly, you and your four, three other siblings. [01:02:32] Speaker B: Okay? [01:02:32] Speaker A: So then at that point, if they were not responding to you and you were trying to sell it and this house was potentially going to foreclosure. And by the way, I've got experience with this because I had a similar situation where two estates simultaneously owned a house here on the east coast and we were trying to sell this Property. However, the other side, the other estate wasn't conversing with us whatsoever. So we got to the point where we had a foreclosure as well. And basically, I think it's kind of the same situation you're in right now. The money is being held probably with the clerk or the balances held with the clerk, in your case, in Lee county, which now. Is that. Is that the situation? The money. The balance. [01:03:10] Speaker B: No, the bank was paid off. The, the. The. The funds with the. The auction closed at almost the exact price of the house. [01:03:17] Speaker A: Okay, but the. But the balance of the funds after the bank was paid is that being held in Lee County? [01:03:24] Speaker B: There is none. It's zero dollars. [01:03:26] Speaker A: Okay. Zero money. Okay, well, then it's almost like I said, okay, besides his house, then, what other assets are there from Just that are subject to probate? [01:03:36] Speaker B: Well, okay, that's it. That is. [01:03:40] Speaker A: Then. Then there is no accounting. You're gonna have zeros across the board. There's no reason for this estate to remain open. I know you'd mentioned some other issues involving, you know, possible problems with someone coming after possibly doing wrong to your father and. And murdering him, perhaps, but that is not part of the probate court. [01:03:58] Speaker F: Court. [01:03:58] Speaker A: Unless. [01:03:59] Speaker B: That's right. [01:03:59] Speaker A: Unless you are going to file a lawsuit against a certain individual who may have been responsible for that and going after him individually, that would be the only reason to bring an action. However, that would have to be brought by the estate, whoever the personal representative is, not you individually. [01:04:17] Speaker B: Right. Well, either way, I was the personal representative at the time, and now there is no personal representative. They refuse to assign one from Lee County Court. [01:04:27] Speaker A: Have you reached out to a personal injury or a wrongful death attorney? [01:04:33] Speaker B: Yes. [01:04:34] Speaker A: I'm assuming you have. Yeah. Okay. What have you been told on that? [01:04:41] Speaker B: We're busy. We. Your case is too big. It's too complicated. Every excuse in the book. I call thousands of attorneys. Thousands. [01:04:52] Speaker A: So. So I'm going to give you a little hint the way it works with a lot of those attorneys or risk all. And I know quite a few of these kinds of attorneys. If they don't see an easy payday, they're not interested. [01:05:01] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:05:01] Speaker A: They don't want. They want to see that there's going to be a median, a million dollars coming so they can get their 33 or 33 and a third or 40%. They're, you know, easy money coming in. If they don't see that, they're not taking the case. So. [01:05:15] Speaker B: And is that why you become a lawyer? Is that why you become a lawyer? [01:05:19] Speaker A: Well, not me. [01:05:19] Speaker B: I'm just curious. I'm just curious. [01:05:21] Speaker A: I'm not driving because then I want the job. [01:05:23] Speaker B: I want the job. If it's easy money and I don't. [01:05:25] Speaker A: Have to do anything, that's another area of law, Tommy. I can't really, I don't, I don't make that kind of money, so I couldn't relate. [01:05:34] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the wrong excuse for me. I'm sorry. [01:05:36] Speaker C: I can tell you this, Tommy. He wouldn't be my friend if he was that kind of guy. [01:05:40] Speaker B: I know, I know. I'm. I'm not referring to him, Stephen, but that's the general consensus. [01:05:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:48] Speaker B: And I don't want to. You know, I could say names, but I'm not going to. It's not your friend. [01:05:53] Speaker A: It's a very difficult situation. Obviously, you brought up a lot of different. [01:05:58] Speaker B: It's really nice. [01:05:59] Speaker A: Well, as far as really not well, you have to do a lot of proof in order to show there was murder involved and be able to go after an estate that had money. All right, that's your only reason for keeping the probate open. [01:06:13] Speaker B: I'm not in it for money. [01:06:14] Speaker A: There is no assets. There's no other assets. There were any creditors. There's nothing for them to come after. Basically, even if there's a million dollars of creditors, there's zero money right now to go after. [01:06:26] Speaker B: So here's the problem, that what happened is that there is a. A bunch of actors, conspirators who have an agenda to get my father's house to foreclosure. In that agenda is where I have the probate, the foreclosure, and this breach of contract lawsuit against me that clouds my father's estate. For me, selling that or anybody else selling my father's house for two and a half years when it turns out that the contract, the complaint is fraudulent. It's in a non jurisdictional case, it's no subject matter jurisdiction. In Lee County, Florida, Judge James Schenko is overseeing this case that has no subject matter jurisdiction. And so that clouds the estate for two and a half years. So there's why the house was in foreclosure. So if there's an agenda that happened. [01:07:20] Speaker A: Well, it wasn't a foreclosure because no one was paying for it. I mean, you can, you can minimize the foreclosure risk by having someone continue to make certain payments on it. [01:07:29] Speaker B: Correct. [01:07:29] Speaker A: All right, so. But I wasn't just the case itself that prevented that. It was just failure to pay so. [01:07:35] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I couldn't afford to take on another mortgage. I have my own mortgage that I'm paying. And so my brothers and sisters from day one made it very clear they were not going to participate or help me in any way, form or fashion, which I don't understand, because if we're all split in 25%, why would you not want to get to the table and work this out? [01:07:54] Speaker C: What. [01:07:55] Speaker A: What was the equity in that property. [01:07:57] Speaker B: There was, all right? It sold for 240, maybe about a quarter of a million dollars. [01:08:04] Speaker A: Okay, so 60,000 each, give or take. Something like that. [01:08:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:08] Speaker A: Okay. So there was enough of them to consider doing it, so. [01:08:11] Speaker B: Well, they didn't need it. They told me. [01:08:14] Speaker A: Well, there's things that could have been done, though. Did they? [01:08:17] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:08:17] Speaker A: Your attorney. Did your attorney ever explain to you that the probate could have been completed and they could have done a disclaimer or sign a deed over to you that would have avoided all this? [01:08:27] Speaker F: It. [01:08:28] Speaker B: Nope. [01:08:29] Speaker A: You could have sold it yourself as the sole owner of the house. [01:08:32] Speaker B: Yeah, well, my attorney is my twin brother's baby's mama's cousin. So they're all in the same. They're all together up there. [01:08:41] Speaker A: Wow. [01:08:41] Speaker B: They're all together in New York. I'm down here in Florida with my. [01:08:45] Speaker A: Father, my cousin's brothers, dogs, friends. Yeah. [01:08:54] Speaker B: We'Re the youths. [01:08:57] Speaker F: Gotta laugh. [01:08:58] Speaker B: You gotta live. My point is, is that they're all up in New York, you know, talking and working things out. I'm here alone in Florida with my dead father, so there's a lot of people against me. So they're able to narrate and make things happen in their favor as opposed to iron. [01:09:16] Speaker A: But there isn't. But the point. My point is at this time, since the property's been sold, there's no other money's there? [01:09:21] Speaker B: No. [01:09:22] Speaker A: As long, you know, if there's no other money. No, but my. Here's my point. If they're. If you're not going to bring a case against a certain individual or parties that have money so that the estate can go after an individual's responsibility for your father's death in a wrongful death claim, then there's no reason to keep this estate opened. [01:09:42] Speaker B: I'm doing that. I. I'm going into putting claims in for wrongful death. Now, at this point, because you have. [01:09:49] Speaker A: To have an attorney. You have to have an attorney represent you. [01:09:52] Speaker B: Okay, well, from what I understand, I have some cases in the federal court in here in Pensacola, and I've been submitting These, These complaints. And I'm just being honest with you. I'm just seeing what I could, what I can and cannot do, because I can't get an attorney who's willing to take this case. I've tried for years. So what do I do at this point? I have to try to go let it go. I can't let it go. [01:10:21] Speaker A: There's nothing. You're not going to get a result at this point. I'm being. I'm being perfectly interested in it. [01:10:25] Speaker B: I'm sorry. I respect you, but that's not the answer for me. Maybe somebody else, but not me, okay? [01:10:31] Speaker A: I'm not going to let it try to mitigate. Try to mitigate the damages and whatnot. I'm going to, you know, and try to give you what best honest answer I could possibly give. [01:10:39] Speaker B: And I appreciate it so. And I appreciate that very much. [01:10:43] Speaker A: Have you looked into pro bono attorneys? Are there any pro bono attorneys? I'm assuming you have. [01:10:49] Speaker B: I have. I have. Here. When it's supposed to happen, it will happen. In the meantime, I'm just telling my story and I'm just gathering evidence and I'm just making sure that people, that the public, as much as I can, make people aware so it doesn't happen to them so that they can have the knowledge beforehand. Because if I had the knowledge beforehand, this wouldn't be happening. [01:11:19] Speaker A: Well, the knowledge would have been, you know, your father had set it up properly done a will or a trust fund. [01:11:26] Speaker B: He did. He had documents. He had a will. [01:11:30] Speaker A: Where, though? What happened to it? What happened to it, though? [01:11:35] Speaker B: That's a question for Stephen Pepe. I mean, you're asking, did you have. [01:11:38] Speaker A: A copy, did you have a copy that of maybe not the original. [01:11:42] Speaker C: No copy, no idea what it said? [01:11:45] Speaker B: Yes, I read the rules several times, and my witness who's here heard my father say, for many years, that's not sufficient, though. I understand it's hearsay. I'm just. Sir, I understand it's hearsay. I know it's not for the court, but we're talking amongst us. And so all I'm simply saying is that somebody else heard him say, don't even tell your siblings I died. I mean, that's how adamant he was. So when you asked me a question, did your father possibly change his mind? I'm very confident in saying no because I was close to him until the day he died, and he was very coherent. I mean, he was moving into my home in, in 2021. So he would buy the book. My father, if My father said a. That's it never changed for me because he was, Hey, I. Epilepsy. So he, he wasn't wishy washy when he made a decision. That was it. That was his decision because he, he turned it over a million times already before he made that decision. So. And the bank even verifies that I was the only named beneficiary on his account. I was named beneficiary on his life insurance, his checking accounts, and the IRA accounts that supposedly Stephen Pepe has. [01:12:58] Speaker A: When, when was, when were you named? At. From your call. At what point did that change? Was it just right before? [01:13:06] Speaker B: Well, when I became administrator, that's when I found out that I was even named beneficiary. My father never discussed that stuff with me. All he said was the will. And, and I read the will with my stepmother before she died. And so he never said, hey, I'm going to name you beneficiary. Only thing he said to me was, listen, I'm going to put you on the life insurance policy. It's not a lot. He said, but would you do me a favor when I die, see that Mitchell gets it. That was his grandson because Mitchell was active in his life at a very young age. So I said, sure, I'll make sure Mitchell gets it. Mitchell's my godson, my older brother's son, who just recently committed suicide. My older brother. So, yeah, Stephen. [01:13:46] Speaker A: So anyway, so wasn't your father's intention to leave it wasn't your father intention what you heard, even to leave them anything, Is that correct? [01:13:55] Speaker B: No, in fact, he told me and I saw it. He left them a dollar each because he told me it's New York, it's Florida law, you cannot disinherit your children. You have to leave them something. [01:14:06] Speaker A: Well, that's not true either, but I go back to the argument that I was making earlier. You actually would have a much better argum saying that there was undue influence. [01:14:17] Speaker B: On there because I'm not trying to argue anything, honestly. [01:14:21] Speaker A: No, no. For your. In order for you to challenge how that payout was done. That's just the only way you're going to be able to do it is. [01:14:29] Speaker B: To argue Judge Lobota has a, a beneficiaries hearing where she's naming beneficiaries. She names the beneficiaries in my father's estate. And I'm not, I'm not privy to the hearing. I was not invited. And wait, I'm in that hearing. I'm named an AKA While Steven, Linda and Michael Are named beneficiaries of what? What were they named? Beneficiary was. I have no idea. I don't, I get, I don't get a chance to see that because now that the file is closed, they make it non public. I can't view it. [01:15:00] Speaker C: So if you attempted to go. If they were holding a meeting and, and discussing all of this and you attempted to enter the meeting, they wouldn't let you in physically. [01:15:14] Speaker B: I didn't even know there was a hearing. So you get it in order to be get to a hearing, Stephen, they send you an email, right? The court and it comes with a certificate of service. I didn't find out two months later that they had this hearing. [01:15:29] Speaker C: So how can that, how could that be? That can be legitimate then? I don't know enough about the law. [01:15:35] Speaker A: And usually there's proof of service. There's usually like some sort of certified mail or whatnot that they use as a slip to show they attempted or something was done on that end. And supposedly they would have had served some sort of proof of service with the court to show that place. [01:15:51] Speaker B: Correct. I was not present at the hearing. I had no knowledge of that hearing. So I don't know how that had transpired. But it's part of the dockets. It's part of the dockets. [01:16:03] Speaker C: The Eric, the email that he got, would that be proof? [01:16:06] Speaker B: I didn't get an email, Stephen. I should have. [01:16:09] Speaker C: Huh? [01:16:10] Speaker B: I should have received an email. If there was a hearing, I would have thought the judge. [01:16:15] Speaker A: I'm saying the problem is with emails sometimes, unless there's some sort of thing where that you can show that the actual receipt on the email. That's why I almost never use emails. I always, always do certified mailings, those green slips. Usps. [01:16:29] Speaker B: Yes, I do too. [01:16:32] Speaker C: So it's. How, how did you find out about the hearing then? [01:16:35] Speaker B: It's on the dockets in the probate. In the probate case, but I can't view it. [01:16:43] Speaker C: A couple of minutes ago you said something about you got an email with an official seal. That wasn't. That was something else. [01:16:49] Speaker B: No, I never got anything else. Okay, what should have happened? Okay, we're talking about this beneficiary. [01:16:56] Speaker C: You gotta quit moving around. [01:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. My phone is dying, so I'm trying to make sure I don't get cut off. I'm sorry. So here's we're talking about beneficiaries and in the probate case, Elaine C. Labota, the judge has a beneficiary's hearing. She's going to name the beneficiaries. Right. Or she's going to present who the beneficiaries are. [01:17:21] Speaker A: It doesn't work that way. [01:17:22] Speaker B: Well, C21CP001212LeadClerk.org it's in the docket. I mean, I don't know. I'm not an attorney, but it's there. And so she names. [01:17:34] Speaker C: It doesn't sound right. It doesn't, no. [01:17:36] Speaker A: Not for an intestate estate. You guys are equal beneficiaries on there. In the event. In the event the beneficiary designation forms were not filled out properly and there were no beneficiaries on the IRAs or life insurance or whatnot on the house, you guys are four way equal beneficiaries as homestead property anyway. So you can't just mix and match who gets what percentage. It doesn't work that way under law. [01:18:02] Speaker B: Well, that's what occurred. [01:18:06] Speaker C: So you're free to view the file now. You're in limbo. Eric, is there something that he can do to request that the. The case be closed? [01:18:20] Speaker A: No. Usually what, usually what happens is a case doesn't stay open indefinitely if things are not filed. There's a. Administratively closing situations usually, and at least in. Out here, it's usually about a year. If there's nothing been filed after a year for a case like that, the judges want to clean up their dockets and have fewer cases, so they usually just close out administratively at some point. So a case like this that's been around for what, four years or four and a half years usually will not want. They will usually not want that around, particularly since there's really not much and the judge really should be embarrassed that this one is still open, opened up. There's no reason for that judge to allow that to still stay open at this point because it's not a. It should not have been a complicated probate case. [01:19:05] Speaker C: Can he, can he, like, write a letter to whoever the judge is and, and request that please close the case? [01:19:13] Speaker A: I mean, you can attempt to. [01:19:16] Speaker B: Well, here's my thing, Stephen. At this point, you know, they still haven't addressed my concerns about the criminality. If I. [01:19:26] Speaker C: That's a different issue, Tom. Correct. That's what Eric's trying to get to you. [01:19:29] Speaker B: I understand. From what I understand they should refer it to, to. To. They're supposed to pass it. From what I understand. I'm not an attorney. If, if there's criminality being brought up in this probate estate, they can't just ignore it. [01:19:43] Speaker A: They can't just say, well the probate court doesn't do it though. It'd have to be the state attorney's office. [01:19:47] Speaker F: Correct. [01:19:48] Speaker A: They felt there was an actual case. [01:19:49] Speaker B: Correct. [01:19:50] Speaker A: My whole point about the probate, unless you're actually suing someone for causing death and that will bring money into the estate, there's no reason to keep the probate opened. If you have a problem with we have believe there's a murder and you think there's a case there, that's another issue. But. Right, but unless you're suing someone, no reason to keep the probate opened. [01:20:10] Speaker B: That's true. Yes, I agree. So if I presented to the judge that there was criminality, she just handles the probate and we don't discuss criminality in there in that case. So we close probate. [01:20:22] Speaker A: And then I would reach the. Tom, I've been reaching out to the state attorney's office. [01:20:26] Speaker B: I have. I sent the state attorney over 300 emails and they have not responded at all. Never. Not once. The FBI hasn't responded. [01:20:34] Speaker A: Okay, well that's. [01:20:35] Speaker B: The elite hasn't responded. Here's, here's the, here's the quote I get. Not under our jurisdiction. That's all they say. [01:20:42] Speaker A: So if the state attorney's office is not proceeding, then there will be no criminal action at this point. That's number one from a civil perspective. Do you have a certain individual in mind that has money? [01:20:53] Speaker B: My brother and sister. It's Stephen Pepe and Linda Catano and Anthony Catano. Why would Alan Khan, my sister in law for two years, tell me this? Who goes around accusing people of murdering their father, their sister in law and all of a sudden my older brother, who was part of it as a hush hush person who's giving cash not to say anything to anybody, is now dead, committed suicide. [01:21:22] Speaker A: So what are you alleging that they actually did? Let's get, just get to that. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Well, I'll tell you this. When I ask Ellen Khan, my sister, my brother's 20 year plus girlfriend, what happened? Because I don't speak to any of them. She calls me and tells me my brother's dead. And I said, oh my God, what happened? He committed suicide. I said, what? She said, yes. I said, how? She said, he stopped taking his medications for his heart. I said, you're kidding me, right? And she said, no. I said, well that's strange. Why would he stop taking his medications to commit suicide? I said, that sounds painful and long. How did he know he was going to die from that? In any event, she didn't do anything. She didn't call anybody. And one day she woke up, he had a heart attack and died. Okay. So she rushed him to the hospital, try to save his life. And I called the hospital and they verified that he died on the way or at her house. And he's dead. So your other. [01:22:19] Speaker A: Your brother. [01:22:20] Speaker B: My brother. My older brother. So my older brother's dead. So when I'm talking to her, I asked her, was there an autopsy? And she said the response was too late. And at that point I had. I didn't know what to say. [01:22:40] Speaker C: What does too late. Thank you. [01:22:41] Speaker B: What does too late mean, Stephen? [01:22:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:22:44] Speaker B: I've never heard a response like that. [01:22:47] Speaker C: So this was in within days of you knowing that he had passed. [01:22:50] Speaker B: This was three days after he. Or two days after he died. And my friend Ted was here. He heard the whole conversation. [01:22:57] Speaker C: There's still nowhere near too late. [01:23:00] Speaker B: Well, she was. She cremated him already. [01:23:04] Speaker C: Oh, gee, your brother, about your father. [01:23:07] Speaker B: Same thing with my father, Stephen. It's a weird. [01:23:11] Speaker A: But what are you saying that, what are you saying they did your father? Let's get there. I mean, more about cutting through. [01:23:17] Speaker B: Here's what Ellen Khan tells me. Alan Khan, in detail, tells me Steven Pepe, Linda Catano and Anthony Catano. Steven Pepe is my twin brother. Linda Catano is my older sister, who is Michael's twin sister. My parents had two sets of twins, fed my father rat poison. My father dropped dead is the word she uses. And that's when they went in for optimum. They cleaned his computer out clean. They did all kinds of things. They got rid of everything. That's what Ellen Khan tells me. Now, I had a private investigator. So I hired a private investigator to help me sort through this. And my private investigator tells me that something very, very odd happened. He didn't get to the bottom of it, but what he did say was I spoke to Michael Pepe and he was the oddest person interview I've ever had in 30 years. Al Perez in Fort Myers was my private investigator. And I said, what do you mean by that? And he says, well, the only thing he wanted to know was if anyone received money for a murder, would they go to jail if they found out that they were paid hush money? And my private investigator told my Brother, anything over 500 in Florida is a felony. Yeah, you'd go to jail. So my private investigator told me that. And I said, well, that's kind of odd that he's all, you know, how come anybody's talking about money around my father's Death. Like, how come nobody's saying G, Poor dad? [01:24:47] Speaker A: Like what? [01:24:48] Speaker B: It was weird. Very, very weird. So with that Alan Khan for two years tells me that they did this. Why would Alan Khan do say that? Why. What is, what is Alan Khan's motive for saying these things? Now? Michael Pepe is my main witness to things. If something did really happen, Stephen, like Ellen says, and all of a sudden Michael Pepe's dead. It's odd. [01:25:24] Speaker C: In my perception of what's happening. I think you need to finish the probation thing, close that out. Correct me from. [01:25:33] Speaker B: He said, I know. [01:25:35] Speaker C: I mean, the probate. I apologize. You don't have to finish that out. And then you need to. If you want to pursue it, then you should go and, and pursue civil matter. Civil would be correct, Eric. Is that right? Civil? [01:25:49] Speaker A: Well, because the criminal, the criminal. The state attorney's offices want to proceed with anything. So there's no criminal there. I mean, as we learned with OJ you could still get by on a, you know, an actual criminal murder case, and the other side may still be awarded civil damages. So that still would be an option, provided there's some sort of preponderance of the evidence, I guess. I mean, I'm not a, you know, a litigation attorney, so I wouldn't know all the standards at this point. But, you know, something that would. You really would want to have someone is experienced in those areas. [01:26:20] Speaker C: I'm saying civil because he says he reported it to the state attorney and the attorney said, no, we're not going to do anything. So, I mean, from what I'm hearing, it sounds like the state attorney, either he's crooked or evidence, there's not enough evidence to do anything. So criminally, he's not going to be able to go after them. But civilly, I think. Civilly, is that the right way? I think in civil court, he can go after. Am I mistaken? Because I think you can sue anybody for anything any day now. Right? No faults. [01:26:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:53] Speaker C: Eric, did I lose you, sir? [01:26:56] Speaker A: Standards. [01:26:57] Speaker C: So say, say it again. You broke up. [01:27:00] Speaker A: There's still going to be standards that he has to meet to show kind of like, like what the Goldmans and the, and Nicole Simpson's family did improve. OJ and getting, getting damages against him, which, you know, who knows if what they, if they even got anything ever. [01:27:14] Speaker B: I don't think they never got a penny. [01:27:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:27:16] Speaker A: So, but I mean, that's the kind of thing you're dealing with here. You still may get a judgment, but you may, it may be for. Not in that. In that end. [01:27:23] Speaker B: That's right. So here, for me, it's more about doing the right thing in my father's death. The money, it doesn't mean anything to me. It's about doing the right thing to honor my father. That's all it is. And it could have been resolved very easily. I mean, my father was a simple man. He lived by himself, 84 years old. He didn't bother a soul. So all this complication in his death doesn't sit well with me at all. Because I was very close to him. I was extremely close to him. [01:27:55] Speaker C: Do you feel that closing the probate now would be a disservice to your dad? [01:27:59] Speaker B: Yes. [01:28:01] Speaker C: And why do you feel that? Because it wasn't settled properly. [01:28:04] Speaker B: That's right. Number one, it wasn't settled properly because here the probate court is going to close a probate case that they helped facilitate criminality in. Come on. [01:28:18] Speaker C: It's kind of like trying to, you know, climb a. A wall, 90 degrees without any help of any sort. [01:28:24] Speaker B: That's right. [01:28:25] Speaker C: It's almost useless at this point. [01:28:26] Speaker A: But if you're not. But if you're not gonna sue your brother and sister on all that directly, then I am. Well, where's the case? [01:28:35] Speaker B: They're in the federal court. They're in the federal court in Pensacola. I just started submitting cases to them, my claims about two weeks ago. And so, yes, I'm in the process of doing that, sir. [01:28:47] Speaker C: So that keeps the probate open, is that. Am I right, Eric? [01:28:51] Speaker A: Well, well, realistically, it depends on where the funds would come in directly. I mean, usually in cases like this, it might be. It might go directly to beneficiaries. When I've opened up cases and personal injury matters before, it often is set up where it's going directly to the beneficiaries. And once the estate's opened, there's really no point of keeping it open. It's just there for the initial complaint. But you're not even the personal representative of the estate, so you couldn't even bring an action on behalf of the estate as it is. So you're not really accomplishing anything by keeping the probate opened. Does that make sense? You'd have to be in charge of the estate to bring an action in that. [01:29:32] Speaker B: Okay. I'm not sure what you mean by open. Well, open, okay. [01:29:38] Speaker A: Open means a judge has not closed it out officially, like, and had a personal representative discharged. That is. That's where it's open and the state is actually opened. [01:29:47] Speaker B: Doesn't the. The probate Probate judge. Administer. Have to administer someone to do that, another administrator, a personal administrator to do that. [01:29:57] Speaker A: No one is appointed that. They'll usually appoint a curator, which is basically an outsider, like another attorney or retired judge, someone. But their job is at some point, some point, to wrap it up, because like I said before, they don't want to keep estates open indefinitely. They want to clear the dockets. [01:30:14] Speaker B: So why haven't they done that? [01:30:16] Speaker A: I have no idea. [01:30:18] Speaker B: It's a good question. [01:30:19] Speaker A: That's my legal opinion. [01:30:22] Speaker B: You're the attorney. Come on, Eric. [01:30:24] Speaker A: No idea. No idea. [01:30:26] Speaker B: Oh, well, there you go. [01:30:29] Speaker A: It doesn't make sense to me, but, you know, certain jurisdictions, I don't do a lot with Lee county, so. Well, here, judges a little different. [01:30:37] Speaker B: So I watched Judge Judy for 20 years, and here's what she says. If it doesn't make sense, it's not true. And you just said it doesn't make sense. So none of this is true is what I'm saying. In the. [01:30:49] Speaker A: And it doesn't fit. You gotta quit. [01:30:50] Speaker B: That's right. But I'm not acquitting because it's my father. I want to be very clear. I'm not quitting. It's my father. So. [01:30:59] Speaker C: But I'm. I'm not clear about the probates remaining open. Is it because you plan on suing? Is. Is that why it's going to. [01:31:07] Speaker B: No, because the judges won't close it. The judge is not doing anything. [01:31:13] Speaker C: I mean, you're. You're saying it's because the judge won't. In your mind now, it's because I. I'm not. I'm not sure if I understand completely. [01:31:21] Speaker B: It doesn't really matter to me. [01:31:22] Speaker C: Stephen, if the judge said to you, tom, we're closing this probate, would that be acceptable? [01:31:30] Speaker B: Well, I would say. Your honor, am I going to get a final accounting or what? [01:31:40] Speaker A: What accounting? Donors, zero assets. That's my point. [01:31:43] Speaker B: I understand that, but that should be formally done. [01:31:47] Speaker A: Well, if no one is serving, I mean, you can get a curator, I suppose. I want to go as we speak. Yeah, I'm gonna go on the Lee county court website. Leeclerk.org yes, I'm on it right now. About this. [01:32:01] Speaker B: Number 21. [01:32:03] Speaker A: Hold on. [01:32:06] Speaker B: Excuse me. [01:32:08] Speaker A: 20. Hold on. [01:32:09] Speaker B: 21. 21. CP-001212. Excuse me. I can't breathe. Okay, let's see. [01:32:24] Speaker F: We got here. [01:32:27] Speaker B: Maybe you as an attorney can read some of those documents. I cannot view them anymore. [01:32:31] Speaker A: Well, you can go. You can go on public records. It's the case on Lee county, they should be able to be pulled up. [01:32:38] Speaker B: It should go to Matrix. I was told, matrix, Lee county or something automatically direct me there. But it does, but it still doesn't allow me to view any of the dockets anymore, I was told. Because it's two weeks from when they, when they put them up. So that's okay. [01:32:55] Speaker A: Let me, let me do another one, if you don't mind, because for some reason this way it is not pulling up. Let's. Can I have your father's name? [01:33:04] Speaker B: Eugene. E U G E N E. Pepe. P E P E. Okay. I don't know. [01:33:11] Speaker A: Let me see what I can pull up on that. [01:33:14] Speaker B: Oh, it might not be coming up anymore because the other cases are not coming up either. I tried to do it the other day. Interesting. [01:33:24] Speaker A: Does Lee County, Florida. [01:33:25] Speaker B: Not pulling up either. [01:33:28] Speaker E: Let's see. [01:33:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. [01:33:31] Speaker A: All right, well, while you guys are talking, let me continue doing a search. [01:33:35] Speaker C: Okay. And so you said that the cases aren't there anymore. Tommy, are you saying that there was a case at one time and it's no longer there? [01:33:44] Speaker B: Yes. There's two cases actually. Excuse me. There's two cases that are no longer visible to me. That's the 21 CP 001212. And then there's the non jurisdictional case, 22 CA 003265. So those two cases have no longer viewable. In leeclerk.org the foreclosure matter 22 CA 004118 is still viewable. And so a lot of the dockets that are in the probate and that non jurisdictional case are in the 4118 case. So that's the case that I've been getting my evidence from and, and supporting dockets to draw my lawsuits. They'll probably shut it down tonight now. Now that I said that, but I already made all PDS rooms. [01:34:34] Speaker C: It doesn't matter. You have filed, physically filed the lawsuits? [01:34:39] Speaker B: Yes, against seven judges. [01:34:42] Speaker C: And what about your siblings? Anything against yourself? [01:34:44] Speaker B: They're going in Monday. They're going in Monday. [01:34:47] Speaker A: All right. So I'm able to get on finally through your name? Ashley. Tom. It was easier that way for some reason. [01:34:57] Speaker B: Right. [01:34:58] Speaker A: So the initial case was open April 2021. Went through on and on and on. A bunch of stuff here. Claims and things of that nature. Let me go to where it stands right now. God, is a long docket here. [01:35:13] Speaker B: There's over 800. [01:35:15] Speaker A: Well, it's, it's 235, the last. [01:35:18] Speaker B: Yeah, but there's four cases. [01:35:19] Speaker A: There were. Well, the. The probate case itself. [01:35:22] Speaker B: Yes. [01:35:23] Speaker A: It looks like the last. The last filings were in August 2024. I can't see what it is exactly. [01:35:31] Speaker B: That's me telling the probate court about the fraud in the foreclosure matter, that the auction is fraudulent, that the title that they're receiving to the person who bought the house is receiving a title that I did sign. So I don't know how they gave them title, but whatever. [01:35:48] Speaker A: Well, I've noticed this. Okay, so In February of 2024, there was a homestead petition that was filed, but I don't see any homestead order that was ever issued. Why is that? [01:36:01] Speaker B: There is an order, actually. The judge Fuller actually agrees. There's a. There's a docket that judge. [01:36:10] Speaker A: Not in this case, though. I'm in. I'm on the case right now. [01:36:13] Speaker B: Oh, well, it might have been in the foreclosure. Hold on. Let me think about that. [01:36:16] Speaker A: This is for the probate, though. Okay. [01:36:20] Speaker B: Here's what they do. Here's what they do. They. They ask a question in one matter, but then they answer it in another. So it's very confusing. So it was. It was actually addressed in the foreclosure matter, the probate matter. You're not going to see the docket there because they don't post it there. [01:36:35] Speaker A: Okay, so the foreclosure matter, is it immigrant mortgage? Is that the case? [01:36:43] Speaker B: The case is 22 CA 004118. [01:36:47] Speaker A: Okay, I see that right now. [01:36:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So in there, you'll see a docket homestead petition again for Michael Pepe. Michael Pepe is the one that asked for that. And. And I called the court on that petition, and the court told me that the house is no longer in homestead because my father is not paying the mortgage. So, you know, you're a general. [01:37:12] Speaker A: Like I said, like I said, you're. You're. You're separating two things. But when you mention homestead, you're talking about taxes. Okay. It has nothing. [01:37:19] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's what I would know Homestead under. Because homestead is based on your homestead. [01:37:23] Speaker A: Homestead means several things. It means what happens to the property when you die, if you're married or you got descendants. It's property taxes, like what you're talking about. It's also creditors. If so from forced sale. You can't have a forced sale from creditors. But those are very. There's various things with homestead. [01:37:43] Speaker B: Well, I spoke about all the. All the areas with it. I spoke about the taxes. I spoke about who's the house belongs to now since they told me it was out of homestead, and they told me it's under unknown heirs, but. [01:37:57] Speaker A: Okay. [01:37:59] Speaker B: Okay. [01:37:59] Speaker A: So I'm looking at the docket for the foreclosure case. The last thing that was filed was in August 2024, probably by you as well. Yeah, I can pull up what you filed. [01:38:09] Speaker C: I. [01:38:09] Speaker A: It looks like I can click on it. [01:38:11] Speaker B: Yes, you should be able to read anything at 4118. You can read and pretty much I tried to. To distribute it to every single matter so that everybody knew what was happening and nobody ever. Oh, it looks like knowledge. Anything. [01:38:28] Speaker A: Yeah, this is. Nothing has happened on this. There's no homestead order. This case. There's nothing going on in this case. [01:38:37] Speaker B: It was a foreclosure. It already happened. [01:38:39] Speaker A: Well, no, the case is still open, though. [01:38:42] Speaker B: Oh, that's weird. I thought it's closed. It looks as it's. The other day it said. [01:38:48] Speaker A: Oh, I'm sorry. You're correct. It says disposed. There's a filing. That must have just been you. [01:38:56] Speaker F: Your. [01:38:57] Speaker A: Your messages. I guess. [01:38:59] Speaker B: Yes. I was just documenting everything that I noticed to the court. Okay. So. All right. [01:39:05] Speaker A: Well, I don't really know if. I mean, in my personal opinion, there should have been a homestead order in the probate court, which devised the property in a 4. [01:39:15] Speaker F: When. [01:39:16] Speaker B: When should that have happened? [01:39:17] Speaker A: That should have happened probably within the first year of the probate. [01:39:21] Speaker B: Facilitate that. [01:39:23] Speaker C: The. [01:39:23] Speaker A: Well, first of all, who would have. Whoever would have been appointed personal representative, which would have been you originally. Correct. Okay. So in order to get a homestead order in most jurisdictions in Florida, the first thing you do is you've got to get through the creditor period, which in Florida is three months from the date of first publication. [01:39:41] Speaker B: Okay. [01:39:41] Speaker A: You go through all that. Were there any other known creditors that he had? [01:39:48] Speaker B: He had his mortgage bills or anything like that? Well, he's a veteran, so he got all his bills taken care of. But maybe some credit cards. A credit card here and there. [01:39:57] Speaker A: So credit cards, usually we. We serve them, we get to the process, but they're not gonna get a dime, basically. That's usually how it works. So once that that process is complete, then the court can be petitioned for a homestead order, which would have devised the property to four of you. I mean, I do this all the time. Yeah. And I understand that would have been done maybe within five, six months of the estate being opened. [01:40:19] Speaker B: You as an attorney would have said to me, hey, Tom, you got to do a homestead. [01:40:25] Speaker A: Well, no, no, it wouldn't have been you doing it. It would have been your attorney doing it. [01:40:28] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I said you. If you were my attorney. Yeah, if you were my attorney, Eric, and you're doing this probate for me, you would have said to me, hey, Thomas, you got to do Homestead, right? [01:40:38] Speaker A: Well, I would have done it for you. I would got a petition. Okay, you would have signed it. We would have filed it, served everybody. And then eventually, after, you know, a couple months, we would have had you as the. The order issuing it four ways to you and your siblings. Siblings. [01:40:51] Speaker B: Okay. [01:40:53] Speaker A: From there, if there's no agreement on selling it, what I would have suggested is, Tom, I'm going to refer you to another attorney to do a partition in this matter to try to get this sold, because now it's outside the probate jurisdiction at that point. So, unfortunately, your wish your attorney had done that, because it probably would have saved you a lot of aggravation and the BS that you're going through right now. [01:41:19] Speaker B: Well, as my attorney, then, he did. [01:41:22] Speaker A: Not properly advise me, and I'm, like I said, not being there. Well, I'm not one for filing complaints against other attorneys. [01:41:33] Speaker B: I did. I filed it already. And you know what? You know what? You know what the Florida bar told me? [01:41:40] Speaker A: What's that? [01:41:40] Speaker B: You did nothing unethical. Come on, please, please. Police on the police, Eric. [01:41:48] Speaker A: And this was his area of law. [01:41:49] Speaker B: Tom, I'm sorry. Yes, sir. [01:41:52] Speaker A: Okay. [01:41:52] Speaker B: Yes, he's a probate attorney and a real estate attorney, and he has a title company to. To. To. To. [01:41:59] Speaker F: To. To. [01:41:59] Speaker B: To accept the escrow deposits. [01:42:02] Speaker C: Okay? [01:42:03] Speaker B: Come on. [01:42:04] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I'm sorry all this happened. I mean, you seem like, you know, you're very passionate. I mean, riskal. And I can both, you know, understand the frustration you have. And that's just. You've basically been guided in the wrong direction on many. [01:42:19] Speaker B: By everybody. By everyone. By everyone, including the judges. And so, Eric, you're right. I am passionate because what if it was your dad? [01:42:30] Speaker A: Well, he would have had a good attorney. [01:42:33] Speaker B: So. [01:42:34] Speaker A: You know what? I believe that. [01:42:35] Speaker B: I can see that. I totally can see that in you because. Because you. I know that. I know what happened. And. And when you're answering me, yes, you're right, everything you say is correct, but none of that happened in my case. And. And if you're an attorney, right, you go to the same. You kind of have the same laws in Florida for probation, then I would expect the attorney that I hired would have had the same knowledge to guide me properly, because I don't Know the laws. [01:43:06] Speaker A: Correct. [01:43:06] Speaker B: I know them now. Right. And. And the other thing is this. When someone is taken from you, it's a very different feeling from when they pass away. It's a very different feeling. And so that's where you see my passion, because you take it from me. [01:43:20] Speaker A: Of course. [01:43:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [01:43:23] Speaker A: Well, my friends, I have. I've got to bid you ado I. Tommy, I wish there was more we could do, but unfortunately, you know it. I. I just pray that you're able to get some resolution of this. [01:43:37] Speaker B: My faith tells me it will happen. It will happen when it's supposed to happen. It will happen. [01:43:45] Speaker C: Amen. [01:43:46] Speaker A: All right, gentlemen, all of you, thank you. [01:43:50] Speaker B: Thank you so much. Eric, if you change your mind and you want to represent me. [01:43:57] Speaker A: I think it's a little beyond what I can. [01:43:59] Speaker B: Do on this one. There you go, Stephen. That's what everybody says. Too complicated for me. [01:44:04] Speaker A: Well, it's also. I would also be suggesting to you, Tommy, though, I would have. I'd be closing out the probate and then trying to get you someone to handle a civil criminal case first. And if they have to reopen the estate from there, so be it. But you're not even in charge of the estate as it is, so. [01:44:20] Speaker B: That's right. [01:44:21] Speaker A: I would. I would proceed in that direction if you know the. [01:44:25] Speaker B: I agree. [01:44:25] Speaker A: All right, gentlemen. [01:44:26] Speaker C: Thank you, brother. [01:44:27] Speaker B: Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Eric. All right. [01:44:29] Speaker C: Appreciate it. All right, let's take a quick break. I want to refill my cup. It's already empty. [01:44:34] Speaker B: Yeah, my cup is full. [01:44:36] Speaker C: Updates on. On what the latest and greatest is. So don't go. [01:44:39] Speaker B: What a nice guy. What a nice guy. [01:44:41] Speaker C: There we go. You're listening to the Red Pill reality show. We'll be right back. [01:44:57] Speaker D: Take the red pill. Take the blue pill. Take the red pill. [01:45:00] Speaker B: I just can't help myself. [01:45:03] Speaker A: I keep falling deeper and deeper. [01:45:17] Speaker B: I just can't stop thinking. I keep on falling. [01:45:21] Speaker A: I keep on falling. [01:45:27] Speaker B: Love. [01:45:29] Speaker C: With you. [01:45:32] Speaker B: Sometimes I love you sometimes. Sometimes you make me feel blue. Sometimes you make me. Sometimes I feel good. At times I feel used. [01:45:47] Speaker C: The way you love me makes me so confused. [01:45:54] Speaker B: I keep on falling in and out of love with you. I never love someone the way that I. I love you Never felt this way. Never felt this way. You give me so much pleasure. It cost me so much pain. Just when I think. [01:46:28] Speaker C: I take a. [01:46:29] Speaker B: Moment of food I can keep on fall. Fall. [01:46:39] Speaker C: I keep on falling in and out. [01:46:44] Speaker B: Of love with you. I fall. I keep on falling in and out. [01:47:30] Speaker C: Of love with you. I Never love someone the way that. [01:47:38] Speaker B: I love you I'm falling in the. [01:47:43] Speaker C: Now of love with you. [01:48:12] Speaker B: Lisa Marie. Breaking live, breaking news. Breaking here is Lisa Marie. We're falling in love right here on Celebrity Records. This station is now the ultimate power in the universe. We have ignition strap in. [01:48:35] Speaker C: 5, 5, 4, 4, 3. [01:48:38] Speaker A: 3, 2, 1. [01:48:40] Speaker B: 1. Quiet, numbskulls. [01:48:43] Speaker A: I'm broadcasting. [01:48:46] Speaker C: We're back. Hope you didn't go too far because we have more interesting and thought provoking information for you. Coming up on the Red Pill reality show. All right, thanks for hanging in there, you guys. I greatly appreciate it. Let me bring Tommy back on and we'll bring Ted back up. We haven't heard from Ted. [01:49:10] Speaker B: Not yet. [01:49:11] Speaker C: You've been awful quiet back there, Ted. [01:49:13] Speaker G: I'm still here. I've just been quiet. [01:49:17] Speaker C: Hey, dad, what can you, what can. Ted, what can you add it to this, this little fiasco? [01:49:26] Speaker G: Well, I mean, I just know. I mean I've known Tommy for 10 years now and I know him and his dad were always very close. I mean I knew a couple, I knew his, his, his, his sister and sister in law and Ellen as I met a few of his relatives. But I know they never had anything to do with his dad. You know, he always talked to his dad a lot. He always had him on speaker. So I heard most of their conversations and, and I still remember like when he, he found his father did pass away when he went down there to, to the, to the house. I remember he called me immediately saying something doesn't look right. You know, the mail was missing. He said things were changed around house, which you know, he thought was. He just said things just seemed off. Like it almost seemed to me like somebody had been there before he got there when he, he was the only one that was supposed to know because it's kind of like his siblings, you know, had nothing to do with his dad. But then here they all come once he passes away. Which seems to me just, you know, rather strange, in my opinion. [01:50:30] Speaker B: Can I, can I say something real quick? Because you just made me think of something. When you say that, you just reminded me of when Ellen tells me and, and you heard when she tells us that my sister called Michael, my brother on December 29th and said Daddy passed away. And she was hysterical crying. And Michael said to her, what the hell you crying about? You didn't. Couldn't stand him, right? The detective didn't call me till the 30th. December 30th. So how does Linda call Michael on the 29th in New York to say they even got the dates wrong. Like, they don't even. They even got dead. They already. They're telling everybody he's dead, and he's not even announced that he's dead. The sheriff wasn't involved yet. [01:51:09] Speaker G: And even when, Even when he was there, he told me there was a realtor at the property already when he got. When Tommy got there. [01:51:16] Speaker B: Which. [01:51:17] Speaker G: Yeah, that's like. Why would a realtor be at that house already? [01:51:20] Speaker C: You, you have presented this to the state attorney. This and all this evidence that you have. And they said, no. [01:51:28] Speaker B: Roger Hamburg. I. I sent Roger Hamburg every single thing, every single docket that we wrote up explaining line by line, exactly what took place. Nothing. I. I just recently sent. [01:51:45] Speaker C: Let me. Let me tell you this. While I'm thinking about it, what comes to mind? I don't know if you can do this again. I'm. I'm ignorant with a lot of this stuff, so I may be wrong with what I'm about to tell you, but I doubt it. I think you can petition a judge for a grand jury. I think. [01:52:01] Speaker A: Here'S. [01:52:01] Speaker B: Here's my thought, because I have a. A case from the buyer who accuses me of breaching the contract in the federal court in which he's losing tremendously. My cases here in Pensacola are suddenly being transferred to that court, the judges. So what I'm thinking is that the federal judges have jurisdiction in Fort Myers over all the judges in my cases. And I'm thinking that he's going to. We're going to trial. We're going to trial for libel and slander against me. Right. But the reason I'm starting my cases now is because the buyer just recently asked to dismiss the case without prejudice. [01:53:01] Speaker C: Because he was. [01:53:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And the judge denied it and said so. [01:53:05] Speaker C: Again, not to be redundant, but I think I would. I would look into seeing if you have the right to petition the judge and ask for a grand jury. So here's what I've learned. I've had a couple of people, did a couple of shows about grand juries. If you can get a grand jury, they have unlimited. They have unlimited access. They get whatever they want. They can. They can ask for anything. Anything. And they. And if they don't get it, there's prison time. There's jail time involved. Okay. So my only question is, I don't know if you have. If us as citizens have that right. I think from what you've presented verbally tonight, there seems to be enough evidence to at least raise some questions. Where somebody started asking how, for example, how did your sister, I think was your sister in law note a day before your dad, before you were told that your dad passed away. How did she know that if nobody contacted her? Right, that's, that's a big question to me. I would imagine to somebody who really wants to get down to the bottom when things went on, how did she noted. Let's call the police department. Did anybody from the police department talk to her? No, I did that. [01:54:15] Speaker B: You know, I did that work. [01:54:18] Speaker C: I, I think that, you know, I hope I'm right. If you could get a grand jury, see, because they have again, they have unlimited access. They can get whatever they want. They can demand whatever they need. [01:54:29] Speaker B: That is a huge, huge piece of gold there. Because in my process I never thought that I could petition for that, which would absolutely right. If I was able to present my evidence to the judge who could present it to a grand jury, which I thought I was doing in the probate case. It was petitioning these judges to hey, listen, you should really present this to a state attorney grand jury. Because these are the questions, actions that, these are the incidents that happen, but it never happens. Right? So that, that at this point that makes total sense and seems like the, the best route to go so that criminally to, to finally resolve the criminality. [01:55:23] Speaker C: Because that much tell me whether I'm right or wrong. He used to do grand juries. Let's see if I can. I sent him. I don't even know if he's in, in the States right now. He travels all over the world. I'll send him a text and ask him if, if you have, if you can do that. Because I think that if you could do that, that would really answer. They can dig as deep as they need to dig. You know, from what he tells me, they have unlimited access. All kinds of stuff that the police can't do. [01:55:55] Speaker B: Listen, there's a lot of guilt, Stephen. Why does my older brother. This is what I'm told by Alan Khan. My older brother committed suicide because he received a letter from the FBI. Now did that really happen? I don't know. Because Alan Khan seems to say things that maybe are not true. I don't know. I don't. You know, I, I'm not in their life to. I can't tell. But my point is this. She's making a lot of accusations. There's a lot of dead bodies around her and my sister and my brother Stephen. And it's all my family. And it's very concerning to me. Me, because when someone dies, there shouldn't be all these questions. They die. It's over. You don't hear from them anymore. Yeah, this is almost like my. My family's graves speaking to me to tell me, you better fight for us. You better do something. You know, you question this, question that, and it's exhausting, and it's frustrating, and it shouldn't take. It shouldn't take five years for someone to. To. To look at my dockets. [01:56:57] Speaker C: Eric was saying, typically, no more than a year. [01:57:00] Speaker B: Come on. [01:57:01] Speaker C: No more than a year. So something's not right, clearly. I mean, it's very obvious something isn't right. Something. [01:57:06] Speaker B: Is the corruption that deep? [01:57:08] Speaker C: Huh? [01:57:08] Speaker B: Is the corruption that deep? [01:57:11] Speaker C: Well, you know, from everything that we're seeing, there's a lot of people out there that dislike Trump. And for whatever reason, the one thing that I. That you cannot take away from Trump, if it had not been from Trump, we would not have seen the corruption as deep as it is. We would not have seen it had it not been for somebody like Trump. So after experiencing what they did to Trump, it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't do something similar, you know, parallel something kind of the same to somebody private. Why not? You know, if it's to serve their personal agenda. [01:57:45] Speaker F: Right. [01:57:46] Speaker B: And enrich their lives. They enrich their lives. [01:57:50] Speaker C: Sadly, the corruption in our legal system, from what I see, it's terrible. It really is. It's much, much worse than we can imagine it is. And it's not something that just started. This has been going on for a long time. It's just that it's surfacing. It's becoming more visible now than it was before, because people. Here's the thing. If that's the case on your part and these judges or these attorneys have misled you and the grand jury gets involved, they will give you the evidence you need to go after these people. [01:58:23] Speaker B: Here's the thing, Stephen. I have the evidence. I can present it to the grand jury, but nobody will listen. I mean, I don't understand it. [01:58:33] Speaker C: You gotta. First bridge is to see. I'm waiting for him to answer me. I'm hoping he's in the country. You have, If. If you can. Yeah, yeah. He hasn't answered to me. If you can petition the judge and say, judge, I have, you know, judge, I have evidence that, you know, this is wrong play has happened in this block. You know, just a quick letter to the guy and convince him to do a grand jury, I think that would resolve quite a few of the Issues that you're having right now, huh? [01:59:05] Speaker B: The judge that I'd be asking is part of the problem. [01:59:08] Speaker C: Maybe a different judge. Try a different judge. Yeah, I don't know. [01:59:11] Speaker B: I tried to get seven judges to do a suisponte on a non jurisdictional case and do you know what they did? [01:59:19] Speaker C: They all ignored seven judges to do. [01:59:21] Speaker B: A what Sus pante. Which is basically looking at a case, a complaint, and determining whether a certain court has jurisdiction over that case or. [01:59:33] Speaker C: Not. [01:59:35] Speaker B: Based upon diversity, based upon the complaint form, the statutes, the rules of the local court. And I know that when someone puts in a complaint against somebody, they have to follow the local rules and the federal rules. Those are what determine jurisdiction in a court. A judge can easily see that by the complaint. All he's got to do is read one page in the complaint and he can say, okay, this goes to the civil court, this goes to the federal court. Seven judges. I asked one sheet, a complaint to please give a determination whether this complaint is. Has jurisdiction in the civil court or it doesn't. And none of them will answer it. [02:00:22] Speaker C: They won't answer or they said it's out of our. [02:00:25] Speaker B: They will not answer it. They ignore me. And this case is in the civil court. [02:00:31] Speaker C: How have you sent the request. [02:00:35] Speaker B: Through? Through the docket. The docket's in the court. [02:00:39] Speaker C: So let me make a suggestion. Type out a letter. Okay. And, and get it to send it to. What's it called? It's called certified return receipt. So you will have a receipt that they received that letter. And I think by law they have to answer you. And I think again, I'm speaking out my. You know where, but I think no, that's good advice. 90 days that they have to respond to you. [02:01:04] Speaker B: That's good advice. Here's the problem. It already brought us to destruction, total destruction. Which you know, listen, if they, if they. Any judge declares suicide, which is simply saying, listen, this case should have not been in this civil court. It should have been in the federal court. That's all we need to know. Please make a declaration because I'm not an attorney, but according to the rules, the local and federal. This complaint by Luke Lashki, the buyer breach of contract complaint does not fit the rules under the civil court yet. James Schenko, Judge Jameschenko is presiding under the case for two years under a non jurisdictional case, according to what I say. So I'm asking the judges please declare it. And they won't. But you're right, I need to do a certified letter in writing. Bingo. [02:01:55] Speaker C: Okay, so here's his answer. My question was can someone petition a judge for a grand jury? He said, for what? And I said for wrongdoing in a probate case. He said his answer was, depends on his position. Depends on his position. A district judge can be charged just as those two judges were charged for harboring an illegal. Judges were, you know, breaking the law, then they could be charged. There are many reasons to, to judge can be charged. Maybe a judge. There are many reasons a judge can be charged and brought before a grand jury. So I think he thinks that you're going after the judges. [02:02:39] Speaker B: I am. [02:02:40] Speaker C: I wish I. [02:02:41] Speaker B: Well, I certainly am. [02:02:43] Speaker C: You want, you want to get to the bottom of the whole thing, not just. [02:02:46] Speaker B: You better believe it. [02:02:48] Speaker C: Stephen, I think he is under the impression you're going just after the judges. I gotta. [02:02:53] Speaker B: No, no, no. I name everybody and I'm gonna be very honest. My own daughter's being named. [02:02:59] Speaker C: So let me. It is what it is. Yes. Can a private individual who has evidence of wrongdoing in a probate case ask a judge to convene a grand jury? Let's see what he says. [02:03:26] Speaker B: That's a great question. That is such a great question. Yeah, that's a great. Wow, that is a great question in. [02:03:37] Speaker C: The States because what little did I, that I do know, it would, to me it would be probably the most powerful thing on your behalf. [02:03:47] Speaker B: No. [02:03:47] Speaker C: So yes, you know, that's right. [02:03:51] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. That is such a. [02:03:53] Speaker C: Just like I said before, there's no bottom. They, they can dig and dig whatever direction they need. It doesn't have to. For example, let's just say it opens up under the probation thing that you were wrong done on the probation thing. And as they look in the probation thing, they start asking course, well, how did his sister in law know a day before him, you know. Thank you, thank you. It's not limited to one thing. It's. [02:04:15] Speaker B: My case is intertwined like a shotgun. [02:04:17] Speaker C: You know, with birdshot. It's just a widespread, you know, kind of thing. [02:04:23] Speaker B: It's the, it's the, it's the smoking gun. It's the smoking gun. [02:04:28] Speaker C: 21St. Yeah, but what. Okay, so is there any way to circumvent the district attorney? He feels that the district attorney is not in his favor. Yeah, let's see what he says I should get him. [02:04:47] Speaker B: This district attorney never responds to anything that I submit to him. Roger Hamburg. [02:04:55] Speaker C: Do you want to call in? We'll see if he. He's been involved in several grand juries And. And I learned a little bit. [02:05:09] Speaker B: That's the answer. Even that is the answer. That is so key to get me on the map to where I need to go. Because here, what will happen is exactly what's happening now. This will just keep going and going and going. [02:05:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:05:25] Speaker B: Yes. And I. And Eric, I. I respect Eric. However, he said some key things that would keep this going and going and going and going. [02:05:34] Speaker C: You got to understand with Eric, though, he's. He's only limited to the amount of time that he heard. [02:05:39] Speaker B: Correct. [02:05:39] Speaker C: What was correct. [02:05:41] Speaker B: Correct. And I agree. I agree with that. That. And I can only make a judgment based on the time. Right. That we get. So that's why I said if he's interested, to please contact me, because I would like to. I. I know he's honest. That's for sure. And I would like to see if. If he can help. But if we can get the grand jury. Oh, my God. That would be the way to do it. [02:06:03] Speaker C: Come on. Phone. My phone's not cooperating. [02:06:07] Speaker B: I mean. Did Ted hang up? [02:06:11] Speaker G: No, I'm still here. [02:06:13] Speaker C: He's just quiet. He's a quiet. [02:06:16] Speaker B: But as Ted was saying, Ted has been in my life for 10 years, and Ted and I live together. So Ted knows everything that happened within this estate, and he can tell you probably better than I, the tribulations. Oh, here we go. [02:06:34] Speaker C: Jerry, let me turn you up a little bit here so I can say something to me, so I can adjust your volume. [02:06:40] Speaker F: Okay. How's that? Better? [02:06:42] Speaker C: That's much better. Can you hear him? Okay? [02:06:44] Speaker B: Yes, I can. Good evening, sir. [02:06:48] Speaker C: Can you hear him, Jerry? [02:06:50] Speaker F: Can you hear him a little bit? [02:06:52] Speaker C: All right, let me turn his volume up a little bit so you can hear him a little better. [02:06:56] Speaker B: Good evening. [02:06:57] Speaker C: There we go. Is that better? [02:06:59] Speaker F: That's better. [02:07:00] Speaker C: Okay. So, Tommy, this is my friend Jerry. Jerry, this is my friend Tom. You're on. You're on the air with us on red pill reality show. Jerry, Tom has run into a situation that's kind of complicated, but I'll just give you a quick overview. He's running a situation where it's a probate deal along with some other wrongdoing that he believes was done. His dad was passed away. He believes there may be evidence that his dad didn't die under natural circumstances. He's gone through the courts. The courts are. He feels the courts have turned their back on him. The judges, the police. He's turned in evidence to the or. He's tried to turn in evidence to the state attorney, but the state Attorney won't answer him. So my. My suggestion to him was, see if you can get a grand jury. Can he get a grand jury? If he has enough evidence, can he circumvent the. Does it have to come from the district attorney? [02:07:51] Speaker F: Yes, and that's the problem. He can. He can try to request an interview with a grand jury, but more than likely they'll push him off on a district attorney. You know, that's usually the procedure because the district attorney has to see that the case has merit to go before a grand jury. [02:08:12] Speaker B: And that's. [02:08:12] Speaker F: That's the problem. So, you know, an individual can't just, you know, request an interview with the grand jury. [02:08:21] Speaker C: Well, so how about a district attorney from a different jurisdiction? Would that. [02:08:26] Speaker F: Yeah, he could go to a different jurisdiction, depending on, you know, where. Where it's located and where he's located. [02:08:34] Speaker C: He's in Florida. He's in Florida. He's up in the panhandle. [02:08:37] Speaker F: He's up in a panhandle. [02:08:39] Speaker B: Okay. [02:08:40] Speaker F: You know, what. What's. What kind of problems has he run into with the local district attorney and the state attorney? [02:08:46] Speaker C: So he. He says that he sends requests to them and they will not respond. [02:08:54] Speaker F: Well, that's, you know, how is he sending a request by. [02:08:58] Speaker C: That was the first thing I. Yeah. [02:09:01] Speaker B: I've emailed and sent certified mailings to. To. To the district attorney as well as the FBI, as well as the fdle, every federal, state agency, and no one has ever. And the judges. I've also certified math, and no one has ever responded. They won't respond. [02:09:22] Speaker F: What. What is the issue that you're trying to get someone to pay attention to? [02:09:28] Speaker B: There's several issues. The first issue is my father's cause of death, because that's where the ball starts rolling. And until we determine what the actual cause of death is, we. We. I can't go any step. I can't take another step, because if the cause of death that I have the evidence to points to criminality, then we have to address that. And so that's what I'm trying to do. Once a district attorney says, hey, listen, you don't have a case here, there's no, you know, he died, whatever, then I can move on to the next step, but nobody will respond to the evidence that I have. [02:10:05] Speaker F: Did you do an autopsy on the body? [02:10:08] Speaker B: Okay, the sheriff did not do an autopsy because he said my father had decomposed more than 75%, which disqualified him from having an autopsy. [02:10:21] Speaker F: That's not exactly true. They can still do an autopsy. On him because they could do blood work and see if he was poisoned. [02:10:32] Speaker B: That's funny. [02:10:36] Speaker C: They had them. They had him cremated, Jerry. [02:10:39] Speaker B: Well, they made me cremate them. They had me cremated. [02:10:41] Speaker F: Cremated. [02:10:42] Speaker B: I did. I did. Under the direction of that foot. Say that again. [02:10:49] Speaker F: You shot. You shot yourself in the foot because now you have no evidence. [02:10:55] Speaker B: Well, here, that. And you're right. I shot myself in the foot because, again, I was misguided. Again, incorrectly. And what I'm finding is, is that all these professionals that were surrounding me at the time have given me the wrong information and left me with. I don't want to say no evidence, because I have it. I have a witness who confesses to what happened. And so. [02:11:24] Speaker F: But here's the problem. It's like, you know, it's hard to commit. Can't con, you know, convict somebody on a murder charge if they can't find the body. And right now, you don't have a body for them to verify that there was, you know, any active criminal activity there. And that's your whole problem. You're going to be. Nobody's going to take that case. [02:11:47] Speaker C: And, you know, he's finding that out. [02:11:48] Speaker F: Yeah, yeah. You're going to have a real difficult time getting anywhere because you don't have a body. [02:11:55] Speaker B: Right, I know that. [02:11:56] Speaker F: That's your first. Your first problem. So now you can bring up to whomever that he was murdered. You have no proof. [02:12:03] Speaker B: Right, I understand that. However. However, the circumstances that surround the probate and surround the other matters in my father's estate would be the next step then. That's what I'm doing. I'm taking the next step now. So I'm civilly suing the people involved. And. [02:12:22] Speaker F: And that would be the only next step you have a choice of, is to criminally or civilly sue. Are you trying to dispute the estate? [02:12:35] Speaker B: Am I trying to. Can you explain what. What you mean by that? [02:12:39] Speaker F: Are you trying to claim or is it. Is the estate going to somebody you don't want it to go to, or did you not get your portion of it? Is that the problem? [02:12:50] Speaker B: Okay. Yes. Because what I. What I believe and what I know, what I'm told, is that there is funds or money in the amount of approximately $6 million that a sibling has that he will not disclose to the courts because it's an IRA account. I don't know the details, so we need to get to the bottom of that. Is this an IRA account? Was he beneficiary? Was he not? Not. There's no. There's no proof to say what's going on there. So that needs to be addressed. [02:13:22] Speaker F: You're gonna have to sue whoever has the control of the assets. [02:13:27] Speaker B: Nobody. [02:13:30] Speaker F: Nobody. [02:13:30] Speaker B: Well, it's in probate. It's. It's just sitting there in probate. [02:13:34] Speaker F: Okay, but who's going to get. Who is the money supposed to go to? [02:13:40] Speaker B: I have no idea. Well, I'll tell you this. [02:13:44] Speaker F: Did he not have a will? [02:13:46] Speaker B: He had a will. Then the will is missing. The. Somebody ransacked his house. See, here's the problem. Had Carmine Marceno, the sheriff in Lee county, taken a police report the day I arrived at my father's house, he wouldn't have been cremated. He. I would have addressed a lot of things that happened prior to this, but Carmine Marceno, the Lee county sheriff, tells me it's all civil and he's not taking any reports, even though I called the sheriff's office many, many, many times, and I have an email that I sent him over generalizing our. Our. Our conversation that he is not going to take any reports, even though somebody broke into his house, even though they. There's identity theft. They wiped his computer clean. I mean, so many things be. Prior to me getting down to his house when I was told he was dead. So they. They even sabotaged me with that. And so I've been misguided. The entire process is what I'm saying, from every single person that's involved, anyone who's in law enforcement or the judicial system. And it seems like this is. It was a cohesive, planned effort. [02:14:57] Speaker C: Who told you. Hang on, hang on just a second. [02:15:00] Speaker B: Second. [02:15:00] Speaker C: Who told you to. To cremate him? [02:15:05] Speaker B: Actually, it was. Let me go back. Let me think in my head, okay? So the. The crematory called me and said, your father's remains are here. What do you want to do with them? He's supposed to be cremated. And I said, well, I guess we're going to cremate them. And they cremated him. [02:15:22] Speaker C: Who sent him to the crematory? [02:15:26] Speaker B: I don't know. The sheriff, I guess. Whoever was at my father's house when they found him dead. Did this all happen? Stephen? This was all done before I even got there, before I was even called that he was dead. [02:15:37] Speaker C: I'm trying to give you information, questions to ask. Somebody had to release the body. [02:15:43] Speaker B: Who. [02:15:43] Speaker C: Who released the body to the crematorium? Why didn't they just release the body to you and let you make the decision of what was going. Whether he's going to be buried, you know, where he's going to be buried. [02:15:53] Speaker F: Does he have any relatives that's involved in this? Unfortunately, that's what happened is what one of the relatives told him to take him to the crematory because it had. It was. [02:16:05] Speaker C: Yeah. They can't do it on their own, right, Jerry? They can't just send them. [02:16:08] Speaker F: Right, right. [02:16:09] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying. That's what I was getting. Yeah. [02:16:11] Speaker B: Wouldn't that have to be documented somewhere? [02:16:14] Speaker F: Yes, the. The morgue that had him. The coroner. You go to the coroner, find out, get a copy of the, the death certificate, find out who the coroner was, then go to the coroner's office and find out who had him released to the crematory. [02:16:31] Speaker B: I was told. [02:16:34] Speaker F: You got to follow the paper trail. And the person that released him the crematory is more than likely the person that wants the money. [02:16:42] Speaker B: Okay, wow, that's a. Steve, that's another. This is another path that no one expl. To me. Okay, so. Wow, that's interesting. [02:16:54] Speaker C: Okay, that's what I was saying. They can't, they can't just. The coroner can't just say, okay, ship them over to ABC Crematory. Right? They can't just do that. They have to. Somebody has to say they're gonna, they're gonna assign that body to somebody. And usually it'd be a. Not a sibling, a partner. So he didn't. His. Your mom had passed away, right? Your mom wasn't around anymore, correct? [02:17:15] Speaker B: Yes, my mom died long ago. [02:17:17] Speaker C: Okay. So they would probably somewhere along the line he may have signed one of those agreements that said, well, something happens to me, contact, you know, in case of emergency, contact, blah, blah, blah, me. And, and. But it wasn't you. It was somebody else because again, you tell me that your sister in law knew before you did that he passed away and you were the one who got the call. So something's fancy with all of that. Doesn't add up. [02:17:39] Speaker B: Right. Stephen. The detective confirms with me that he's the only one I. He's the only one I called. [02:17:46] Speaker C: So again. [02:17:46] Speaker B: So who made these arrangements? It had to be on the side. [02:17:51] Speaker C: Find out who released the body to the crematory because that person is responsible for withholding evidence. [02:18:00] Speaker B: Stephen. And, and, and what's your friend's name? I'm sorry, Jerry. [02:18:04] Speaker C: His name is Jerry. [02:18:05] Speaker B: That's profound. This is, that's, that is very, very significant to this entire process because nobody. [02:18:16] Speaker F: You got to follow the paper trail. And the paper trail starts with the death certificate. And then you'll. Then the morgue you'll find out from the morgue who released him to the crematory. Because they just don't randomly ship them off to crematory. You have to. Someone has to pick. [02:18:34] Speaker C: Exactly. Right. [02:18:36] Speaker B: See, but here's. Remember, I'm not in the picture at all. So this is all happening before the phone call to me is made that he's dead. So when I call the sheriff, he says, well, he's at the crematory. You know, you got to get him cremated. He. The sheriff has to know who authorized it. Because I would think now that you're saying this to me, because the sheriff. [02:18:59] Speaker C: Never tells me that I know who authorized it, but the coroner will. [02:19:02] Speaker B: Well, yeah, well, know. I wouldn't. [02:19:04] Speaker C: Just probably looking at a report saying, okay, the body's now at the crematory, and that's what he's telling you, and. [02:19:09] Speaker B: That'S fine, but wouldn't the sheriff have to understand that somebody had to authorize it? If I'm saying, hey, oh, yeah, well, he never guides me on that. [02:19:17] Speaker C: But I don't think they authorize it through him. They authorize it through the coroner. [02:19:21] Speaker B: I get that. [02:19:22] Speaker F: The sheriff's not going to be involved in that at all. [02:19:24] Speaker C: Yes. [02:19:24] Speaker B: Okay. [02:19:26] Speaker F: So, you know, the court. The sheriff's going to stay out of this completely. And they're not going to take it as a potential murder because they don't have a body. [02:19:36] Speaker B: Right. [02:19:36] Speaker F: And so you have no proof. Well, you can't say you got shot or got poisoned or whatever. There's no proof of that now. And so that's. And you can accuse somebody all day long, but you've got to find evidence to find, you know, to charge that person. And it could be the will that might be the issue. Who's going to get the money would obviously be the most likely subject. But again, you know, you gotta. You gotta find the proof and you've gotta find the reason. And as you know, a sheriff's not gonna. You know, you've. You've contributed to the demise of the case by having them cremated. [02:20:18] Speaker B: Now, I'm hearing that. Yeah. I'm just learning that right now with you, Jerry, because again, my father only did the first time he died honestly. So if I could do it again and do it right, I would. Stephen, I'm sorry, but you don't. It's. You can laugh. It's funny. That's why I said it. But so what I'm learning, even tonight, is that there's more misguidance than I really understood. [02:20:49] Speaker F: And so that if there's any doubt in someone's death, the first take you don't, don't do is cremate them because you kill any, any chance of finding out any kind of, you know, you want to know why the person died anyway and cremating them kills any of that. Unless, you know, you're, you're part of having him killed, you know. [02:21:12] Speaker B: Well, here's Gary. Here's what happens. The sheriff tells me your father had a heart attack. And the coroner documented he had a heart attack. That's what the sheriff told me. So why would I not believe the sheriff? [02:21:27] Speaker F: Well, until. If you don't, if you don't, if you don't have a will, right, and you, and, and you don't have any paperwork saying that you have authorization for anything, then you're kind of, you know, you're like a child left out in the cold. I mean. [02:21:44] Speaker A: That's right. [02:21:45] Speaker F: No, it's, you know. [02:21:49] Speaker B: Yeah, but just because I'm left out in the cold doesn't mean that a criminal gets to walk away from a crime. [02:21:55] Speaker C: Well, well, hold up. [02:21:57] Speaker F: You know, the point behind it is what makes you think there's a crime involved? [02:22:02] Speaker C: There's a lot of unanswered questions you have all night. There's a couple. Here's a couple of things. His sister in law called him to tell him that his dad had passed away. No, excuse me. His, his sister in law knew that his dad had passed away. A day before he got the official call. He went. When he went down to see his dad's house, it appeared as though that somebody had already been in the house, that his mail was missing. He claims that his dad got lots of mail. There was no mail. He also looked at his dad's computer. He believes that somebody went through the computer and must have wiped out some information on the computer as well. [02:22:41] Speaker B: Stephen, I have two companies. My private investigator and a certified computer technician company who sends me a letter verifying that computer was officially wiped clean professionally. I have those DOC documents. [02:22:58] Speaker C: So they were. Okay. [02:23:00] Speaker F: Who stands to win gain of. Of all this? [02:23:04] Speaker B: Who stands to gain my father's dignity? That's it. And my father's legacy. And what about. [02:23:10] Speaker C: Yeah, but Tom, you were saying something about millions of dollars. [02:23:14] Speaker B: Yeah, well, this to me that's going to come out. [02:23:17] Speaker C: I know you don't want the money. Don't. Wait a minute. I know you made that. [02:23:20] Speaker B: I don't want it here. My not set. My priority. My priority is. [02:23:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:23:24] Speaker B: My father's death. [02:23:26] Speaker C: Yeah, okay, but there's money involved. So who? The question is who gains from who? [02:23:31] Speaker B: Who has Stephen Pepe? [02:23:33] Speaker C: That's your brother. [02:23:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Stephen Pepe has those accounts. [02:23:37] Speaker C: So I don't know if there's any way you can force him to divulge. What. [02:23:43] Speaker B: He won't do it. The courts won't do it. [02:23:46] Speaker F: You can privately subpoena his, you know, the, the records to your f. Father's estate. [02:23:53] Speaker B: I can privately subpoena them? [02:23:56] Speaker F: Yeah, you can. You can get in, hire an attorney wherever you are and just have them subpoena the records. And you're gonna have to file suit against them if, if you don't care about the money, why does this matter? [02:24:10] Speaker B: I'm not saying I don't care about the money. That's not the first step. The first step for me is to determine because of all the evidence that is around me, is the evidence pointing to murder or not? And I need to know that. Okay. [02:24:28] Speaker F: How old was your father? [02:24:30] Speaker B: He was 84. [02:24:33] Speaker F: Okay. Did he have any health issues? [02:24:36] Speaker B: He had a heart attack a couple years prior, but received a clear bill of notice maybe a year or two before he passed away. [02:24:44] Speaker F: Okay. But that, you know, 84. So kind of. If he's had a heart attack before, who would want to kill him? [02:24:55] Speaker B: If he's. If he's had a heart attack before, who would want to kill him? I don't see the connection in that. I'm sorry. Okay. [02:25:00] Speaker F: I'm just asking two questions. Yeah, he's had a heart attack before. [02:25:04] Speaker B: Correct. [02:25:05] Speaker F: Next question is who would want to kill him? [02:25:12] Speaker B: I can see anybody want to kill him. I can't see anybody wanting to kill him. He was such a nice guy. He was a nice guy. [02:25:18] Speaker F: And you're claiming he was killed? [02:25:20] Speaker B: Yes. [02:25:20] Speaker F: Who would want. Who would you think would want to kill him? [02:25:23] Speaker B: Well, I could tell you so that. I'll tell you this. My sister in law says to me, Linda Catano, Steven Pepe and Anthony Catano killed your father. And I say, why are you saying that? She says, because I'm telling you. And your brother Michael knows. And there was money transferred to your brother to keep it quiet. Now, Michael Pepe has since committed suicide. So my main person, witness, whatever you want to call him, is now dead. So that takes that out of the equation. So if you ask me that question, it would be now my brother's long term girlfriend of 20 years, Ellen Khan, who is my sister's sister in law and my brother's sister in law. So my sister in law, who, who. [02:26:08] Speaker F: Stands to get the Money. [02:26:09] Speaker B: Stephen Pepe, Linda Catano. [02:26:12] Speaker F: Okay. Then you file suit against them and subpoena their records. [02:26:18] Speaker C: Civil suit, Jerry. This is civil. [02:26:20] Speaker F: Yes. It has to be a civil suit. [02:26:22] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. [02:26:23] Speaker B: In the set of what. [02:26:25] Speaker F: And, and you're going to have to, you know, and you can accuse them all day long, but if you have no evidence whatsoever of them, what do. [02:26:35] Speaker B: You think of evidence? What does it. What is considered evidence? [02:26:40] Speaker F: Kind of ulterior motive for him. Yeah. You need a body. That would be the first thing that's, you know, Right. Now, the difficult part is how do you prove they killed him? You know, what's the motive? The motive is the money. Okay. But then you got here, here's. Here's a defense method for the other side. He's 84 years old. He had a previous heart attack. He just died of a heart attack. [02:27:05] Speaker B: That's right. [02:27:06] Speaker F: You know, that's. That's the other side against you. [02:27:10] Speaker B: Correct. [02:27:11] Speaker F: Prove that we killed him. [02:27:13] Speaker B: We. [02:27:13] Speaker F: Okay. We stood to gain $6 million. Well, they. If they're in the will anyway. You don't have a will. [02:27:23] Speaker C: They weren't. [02:27:24] Speaker B: It was an intestate. The will was missing. [02:27:27] Speaker F: Okay, see? I mean, you have no evidence. [02:27:31] Speaker B: It's not. I have no evidence. [02:27:33] Speaker C: Okay, okay, wait a minute, Tommy. What he means is. What. Your evidence is circumstantial. [02:27:39] Speaker B: Correct. [02:27:40] Speaker C: You need. You need hard evidence. That's what he means. He doesn't mean that what you're saying isn't true or right. Believing isn't correct. It's if he's talking from a court standpoint where you're standing in front of. Front of a judge and you're saying, oh, well, he did this and he did that, and the judge gonna say, so here say, see you. Bye. They're not gonna hear it. So that's what he means by you don't have the evidence. [02:28:01] Speaker B: Correct. [02:28:02] Speaker C: Evidence of some sort. [02:28:04] Speaker F: You know, you have to show that they were going down to his house or staying in his house. [02:28:12] Speaker B: That can be. That can be retrieved because there's cameras all over his community. They were. They were. I watch a crime watch community. So if somebody was going to his house at night, it would be on those cameras. So there's. [02:28:27] Speaker C: There's subpoena the. Subpoena the records. [02:28:31] Speaker F: You know, get an attorney, have them subpoena those records. That's what it's going to take for you to do. [02:28:39] Speaker C: Jerry, does it have to be. Does it have to be an attorney to do the subpoena? Can he do it on his own? [02:28:44] Speaker F: You can write up a subpoena yourself and submit it to the. The county clerk and they'll. And then you'll have to pay a process server to have it delivered to the person. Yeah, you can do it all yourself. [02:28:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:28:56] Speaker B: Okay. That's another gold nugget. Another gold nugget here. [02:29:00] Speaker C: Thank you. You're getting some info tonight. Yeah. The people who are listening, we got our. I can't tell exactly. So somewhere around 100 or so. This is the problem that you're going to have if you don't set all your records straight before you pass away. Every one of us has got to go at some time or another. And if you don't set the record straight before you go, you leave. For those people who are grieving you, a nightmare. I mean, Tommy isn't the only one that I've heard this from. I have friends. As you know. I've been privy to live 72 years. So some of my friends didn't make it as long as I did. And when they left, it was such a nightmare because nobody in know they were younger than me. They were. One of them was in his 50s. Nobody expects to die and they died. And, and sadly for them. Go ahead. [02:29:42] Speaker F: There may be another side to this too. You know, some people may be just cantankerous old people that want to stir up trouble. [02:29:53] Speaker B: That's not my dad, unfortunately. [02:29:57] Speaker F: It's like me. I want to create chaos when I'm. [02:30:01] Speaker B: That's totally me. Yes, Jerry, that's me. But my dad, all he wanted to do was fish. [02:30:08] Speaker F: He's dead. I want to piss him off even more. [02:30:13] Speaker B: That's good. But Steven, I have to respond to what you said because here it's. It's not a matter of getting the paperwork done correctly. Your finances, whatever, before you die. It's not going through the probate court. What it should be is put everything in a trust, everything in the trust and avoid probate. [02:30:33] Speaker C: Yeah, well, you can put it. [02:30:34] Speaker B: That's the real answer. [02:30:36] Speaker F: It's still got to go to probate anyway. Then they'll reissue it back to the trust and the trustee, whoever that appointment. [02:30:44] Speaker B: But nobody can touch it. [02:30:45] Speaker F: Yeah, nobody could touch it. But if you want to create chaos, which, you know, I've got a will and I've got, you know, everything in trust and then I've got, you know, my son in law will be the administrator to my granddaughter. And you know, and he's with Department of Homeland Security, so I semi trust him. But you know, who knows when it comes down to Money. You can't trust anybody. [02:31:13] Speaker B: That's right, Jerry. That's right. That's right. And that's, that's. That's. See, that's part of the problem, you. [02:31:20] Speaker F: Know, If I'm dead, I don't care. [02:31:26] Speaker B: Oh, I get it. To have. That's funny, because I'm gonna be looking. [02:31:28] Speaker F: Down from heaven going, look at the chaos I caused. [02:31:34] Speaker B: Oh, my God, that is so true, though. [02:31:37] Speaker F: But, you know, that's. That's the best. [02:31:45] Speaker B: That is very good. But, yeah, I don't know. Here. The piece of information that you have shared with me is very helpful and very useful. So I thank both you gentlemen, first of all, but it's at the core of my soul because my father was a veteran and he did everything by the book, sir. And I just know this is just not right. And that's what it's really about. [02:32:15] Speaker F: And unfortunately, some, you know, things like this happen. I mean, I was privy to a scenario in. In, you know, past years where a woman who. Her mother and her were at odds with each other right up to the last minute. And I found this. I found this out afterwards. They were fighting and the mother, you know, was. Just wanted her to shut up, so she gave her a muscle relaxer and gave her a shot of whiskey. And this woman was 84 years old. Guess what it did stopped her heart. And she didn't intentionally want to do that. She just wanted her to shut her up quiet. [02:33:03] Speaker C: Yeah, all right. [02:33:05] Speaker F: She shut her up for good. [02:33:08] Speaker C: I shouldn't be laughing. [02:33:10] Speaker F: It's funny, you know, but, you know, whoops. What do you say on that one? [02:33:15] Speaker B: Well, I have one. My mother didn't speak to me probably the last 10 or 12 years of her life. When she died, I did not expect to be in her will. And I was named in her will. And I told my siblings, whatever you do, say whatever you want to do, I don't care, because I really didn't expect anything. And six months later, my older brother calls me and says, we found a note. I said, no, you know, we can't be right. And sure enough, she left a note. Make sure Tommy gets nothing. And so they came at me for the past 12 years, so she's been probably laughing her ass off. Haha. I did nothing. [02:34:00] Speaker F: You know, the problem is, you know, you never know what your parents are going to do or what your kids are going to do or what you're going to do to your kids. It's. If my. If my. My kids had been, you know, always around helping me out and doing stuff for me, they would have had a gold mine, you know, and, you know, I've tried to give my kids cars, and they get mad at me because I took a toll tag off of it, you know, and stomps out of the house and doesn't take the car. I'm going like, are you really that stupid? So, you know, I mean, needless say, you can't predict what your kids are going to do or your parents are going to do or whatever. And all you can do is try to live your life and, you know, and reward people that are good to you. [02:34:49] Speaker B: I agree. I agree. [02:34:51] Speaker F: Or innocent people. That's why I'm giving everything to my granddaughter, because she's never done anything wrong. [02:34:57] Speaker B: Right. Well, I'm spending every penny I have, and hopefully some of yours are time. [02:35:05] Speaker F: I'm trying to figure. I just like to get, you know, garage sale for my house for all the crap I got in here. [02:35:12] Speaker C: Oh, my. [02:35:14] Speaker F: But yeah, I would. I would suggest that you, you know, hire a probate attorney. [02:35:19] Speaker B: No, really? Yeah. Misguided there too. [02:35:28] Speaker C: I had suggested to him, is it possible that you could privately request a grand jury from a judge? That's why I got you on the phone, because I was hoping if he could do that, present him with the evidence that he has, although as much of it as circumstantial, maybe he could get, you know, to the bottom of what's going on. [02:35:50] Speaker F: They're not going to take it because the problem is the body's gone. [02:35:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:35:55] Speaker F: And you have. No. The only circumstantial evidence you would have at this particular case is to point at one or two people and said they wanted him dead. Well, Whoopi do. Okay, so, you know, how many times have your kids said to you, I wish you were dead? You know. [02:36:17] Speaker B: Oh, Jerry, that's such a litigation. Excuse me here. Wishing. Saying somebody, I wish you were dead is far different than having connecting dots to a series of events that happen that are critical in someone's death. That's a very different two horses of a different color. [02:36:37] Speaker F: But again, again, you don't have the body. [02:36:41] Speaker B: I understand. I don't have the body. But if I'm told from the law enforcement, you know, or I'm not told by law enforcement that that's critical to. Don't cremate him yet. [02:36:55] Speaker C: How. [02:36:56] Speaker B: So that means that. That the person that could have been murdered should get no justice. I mean, shouldn't it be looked into? Well, because. [02:37:03] Speaker F: Okay, unfortunately, that happens all. [02:37:07] Speaker B: All the time. Wow. [02:37:09] Speaker A: Wow. [02:37:09] Speaker B: That Is the answer I don't want to hear. That's the worst answer. [02:37:14] Speaker F: There are so many people that, you know, get away with murder, because first of all, there's thousands, you know, there's hundreds of thousands of murders nationwide. Do you think they have, you know, and you hear all these crime stories? Well, it was a cold case. 25 years later, they solve it. Well, okay, that's 25 years later. Whoopee. Do you know, it's. It's way after the fact that the person's lived their life. But the, you know, they have to have blood text toxola and toxicology reports. They have to have, you know, the body or some way to. To prove the malfeasance there that has happened. And, you know, you can't watch these crime shows and go, oh, they did it on tv. Because that's not real life. It's, you know, it's sensational. [02:38:03] Speaker B: That's another bad answer to me. To me, that's a bad answer. [02:38:08] Speaker F: I know, but the problem is that's reality because. [02:38:11] Speaker B: Well, no, that's a created reality. Because what you're saying to me is that I should just accept the fact that there's murders, and in God's law, that's not acceptable. It's just not. That's why I'm his warrior. [02:38:25] Speaker F: Okay. [02:38:28] Speaker B: I'm sorry. Not accepting that. [02:38:30] Speaker F: Do you have that? It's murder. And who would have murdered him? Your sister? [02:38:36] Speaker B: Yep. And she sure did. She still did. Well, let me ask you this, Jerry. If I accused you of murdering your mother and you didn't do it, what would you do? [02:38:46] Speaker F: Well, you'd have to defend yourself. But the point. [02:38:50] Speaker B: Okay, prove it to me. [02:38:51] Speaker F: Prove it to me. [02:38:52] Speaker B: Well, George. Jerry, I. I just accused you. [02:38:55] Speaker F: You. [02:38:55] Speaker B: You accused out. [02:38:56] Speaker C: You. [02:38:56] Speaker B: You killed our mother, Jerry. What are you. What are you going to do about it? [02:39:01] Speaker F: Not a thing. Because I don't. You have no. [02:39:03] Speaker C: There's no evidence. That's the problem. [02:39:07] Speaker B: You know, I don't have evidence. [02:39:10] Speaker F: No district attorney is going to take that case on. [02:39:12] Speaker B: That's right. [02:39:13] Speaker F: I think they killed them. I believe they killed them. I want to believe they killed them. But, you know, a district attorneys go, okay, show me the proof. Well, they got all this money. Money. [02:39:24] Speaker B: Well, not the money, but a confession. There's a confession. I mean, a confession. [02:39:30] Speaker C: Where's the confession? [02:39:34] Speaker B: Ellen Khan tells me that they killed him. That's a confession. [02:39:39] Speaker F: In writing or recorded? [02:39:41] Speaker B: I sure do. I have it in Facebook messenger in writing, and I asked her to please report it to the FBI. And she won't. You know why? Because she's afraid of being retaliated against. That's her response. [02:39:55] Speaker F: Okay, if you. If retaliated by whom? [02:39:59] Speaker B: By my sister. By my sister and her husband, who's a cop. A New York cop. [02:40:06] Speaker F: He's a New York cop? [02:40:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, no kidding. Who hung out with Monsino all their lives, okay? [02:40:16] Speaker F: Then he's gonna know exactly how to get off. [02:40:19] Speaker B: There you go. So that's my point. [02:40:24] Speaker F: Now, you've got a really uphill battle, and the whole point behind it is, is what you're trying to do is you're trying to get, you know, okay, do you want to solve a crime or do you want to get some of the money? [02:40:37] Speaker B: Yeah. More importantly, is my father deserves justice? Let me ask. Let me say something, Jerry. My father fought for this country, okay? And there are people on this earth that took his life. He fought for our lives, and his own children took it. [02:40:54] Speaker F: Okay, why do you believe this? [02:40:57] Speaker B: Oh, gee, I only got 100 million pages of. Of circumstantial evidence, and I have a witness who's telling me they did it. I mean, and if you connect the dots, I bet you if you got the cameras from his area, you'd see Linda Cattato driving up to his house. [02:41:13] Speaker C: Every do that, you got to do that. [02:41:16] Speaker B: I understand that now. I just got that, Stephen tonight. [02:41:20] Speaker F: I mean, and. And you better hurry, because. How long ago did he die? [02:41:24] Speaker B: Five years ago. [02:41:25] Speaker F: Oh, my God. Those tapes are gone. [02:41:27] Speaker B: Yeah. The answer is always. You know, see, this is the problem. This should not be so difficult. It really should not. [02:41:36] Speaker F: And first off, your five years, you. [02:41:40] Speaker C: Know, way down the road, he may be. I mean, he may be five years down the road, but he started right away. [02:41:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I've been telling the courts since day one. [02:41:50] Speaker F: Yeah, okay, but the problem is all your source of information's probably gone. Nobody keeps recordings for five years. Rarely. Usually. [02:42:01] Speaker B: I keep taxes for seven. [02:42:05] Speaker F: Pardon me? [02:42:05] Speaker B: I keep my tax records. The seventh. [02:42:08] Speaker C: Yeah, but that's taxes. [02:42:09] Speaker F: Well, that's taxes. You have to keep them for that long. Okay, but video people record over the tape all the time. [02:42:16] Speaker B: No, I'm talking. I'm talking about this. I'm talking about the city. Fort Myers. They have the crime watch by the community, the city. Who's ever running it in the. In the city of Fort Myers. My father was part of it. My father was a security person. [02:42:33] Speaker F: Start with that. [02:42:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:42:35] Speaker C: Tapes. [02:42:36] Speaker B: Great. [02:42:36] Speaker F: If you can get those tapes, great. Then you can start putting pieces together. But be like a detective you have to have. Okay, here's the person. Now. How do you think she did it? Why do you think she did it? And what's the benefit? The benefit for her is to get all the money. The reason she didn't want to wait, so she put him down quicker than he would have died anyway. So there's the. [02:43:01] Speaker B: The. [02:43:02] Speaker F: There's the motive, there's the action. How did she do it? [02:43:07] Speaker C: She. He believes that she poisoned him with. With rat poison, of all things. [02:43:11] Speaker B: Okay, well, because it's not detectable, and that's what Ellen Khan tells me, that she was told by my sister, because my sister's husband is a cop, so they do all this investigating. [02:43:22] Speaker F: You don't have the body. [02:43:25] Speaker B: I understand that, but. But. But hear me. Hear. Here's. Here's what I'm saying. I don't have a body. I get that. It doesn't mean it didn't happen. That's what I'm saying. It does not mean a crime is not committed. [02:43:40] Speaker F: All day long you could. Yes, all day long again, but trying to prove it is the problem. [02:43:45] Speaker C: It's a different story. [02:43:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I get it. So how much? How much? Okay, so you're telling me that the only possible way anyone's ever going to believe this happened is a body to say, what. What is that body going to tell me? [02:43:58] Speaker F: I'm not. I'm not. [02:43:59] Speaker B: That he died of a heart attack. [02:44:02] Speaker F: I'm saying the reality of it is based on his age, the previous health conditions he's had before, and nobody. You know, it's. It's. People are going to go, he just died of old age. [02:44:16] Speaker C: You're trying to climb up a pole that's been greased is what he's trying to tell you. [02:44:19] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah, I understand many things. I understand. [02:44:23] Speaker F: If you want. If you want something out of this, okay, sue your sister and get it up in. In court. And then the evidence can be brought into court. So you could win some of the assets of the. Of the. You know, the money. And then the evidence would come into play with the potential death of your father being caused by your sister. Sister. In the civil litigation, you could bring those issues up, Correct? [02:44:52] Speaker C: That's a good point. Yeah. [02:44:53] Speaker B: Yeah. That's what I'm doing. That's. That's exactly what I'm doing, Jerry. That's exactly what I am doing. [02:44:59] Speaker F: That's. That's the only option you have right at this stage. [02:45:03] Speaker B: Well, here's another failure. [02:45:04] Speaker F: What you do is once you sue somebody, you have the right to look through all their dirty laundry. [02:45:11] Speaker C: Well, where were you on these called disclosures? [02:45:13] Speaker F: What were you doing this? Why were you seeing my father? Why were you spending all this time with him? What kind of food were you feeding? What? You know, and then maybe there's records of her buying Anna freeze. [02:45:26] Speaker B: Oh, there is? Yep. [02:45:30] Speaker F: So now I know Walmart and a lot of these stores will keep records. [02:45:34] Speaker C: For like 20 years. Yeah. [02:45:36] Speaker F: So, you know, you can. [02:45:37] Speaker B: Well, also, also there's a, this is a group effort and I know they're in a group text because I did my homework and I, like you said, act like an investigator and I find out that they're all in a group text. So the, the text messages alone should be able to tell us a lot. [02:45:56] Speaker F: Well, you know, and, and you can, once you get this lawsuit started, you can subpoena all their records, their text message, their email, emails. They're computers. [02:46:07] Speaker B: You can even computers, Jerry, that's, that's where I'm going. That's where I'm going. Because like you said, once I do get the lawsuit going, then I can have all of those records subpoena, and I guarantee you there's a lot of chitter chatter. Guarantee it. [02:46:23] Speaker F: Well, you know it. And then if you can get that information, then you can take it to a district attorney. [02:46:29] Speaker B: That's right. [02:46:31] Speaker F: And you know, you have, you know, you got, you got your hands full of nothing. [02:46:36] Speaker B: Well, that's, that's. [02:46:40] Speaker C: Information, though, Jerry. [02:46:41] Speaker B: Well, yeah, Jerry, you know what is important because there's people on here that are going through the same thing or have gone or are going to go through this. And it's really, for the people that are watching us right now, I'm seeking. [02:46:57] Speaker F: Know, it's like I give advice on, on people that are going to get married and are, are married and going through a divorce. There's a lot of things you should do if, if you're, if you're getting married, you should have a prenuptial agreement. I don't care what anybody says because, you know, most kids starting out going, well, I don't have anything to have a prenuptial about. Well, that doesn't mean you're not going to have something later on. [02:47:23] Speaker B: That's right. [02:47:24] Speaker F: And, and then what do you do then? And then all of a sudden people are getting divorced and they're all mad because they have to split everything up. And, and the same thing, you know, with going through a divorce, you have issues with that. You're going through kind of like a divorce situation because you want to get answers. And you want, you know, information. And so to get that information, the only way you can get there. There to initiate a potential criminal investigation is to sue them individually, start collecting this evidence. And, yeah, here. [02:48:00] Speaker C: Here's. [02:48:00] Speaker F: Here's a video of them driving to his house to the day he died. [02:48:05] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. [02:48:08] Speaker F: You know, and you bring that into the civil litigation saying, where were you on this date? You know, I want to know. Exactly. I want to know. Know You're. You know, if you've got GPS tracking in your car, I want to know. I want those records, too. I want your cell phone tracking because they. The cell phones will ping towers. They have records. [02:48:28] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes, yes. You see what I'm saying, Jerry? This is what I'm saying is that today everything is traceable. So when they say circumstantial evidence, it's really. It's really confusing because there's no mystery in this, right? To me, there's no mystery in a death. I've lost many people in my life, and I. I just know there's no mystery. So. So when I hear. Well, it happens. That's not a mystery. That's not a definitive answer for me. [02:48:59] Speaker F: Again. Again. [02:49:00] Speaker B: But now you're talking. [02:49:02] Speaker F: You got to have the proof, and you'll get it. Right now, getting a civil litigation started. And then subpoena in all their records. You can subpoena, you know, their. Their cell phone records because they keep those for several years. [02:49:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:49:19] Speaker F: Find out where their cell phone was pinging in by the. Your father's house on the night he died. [02:49:25] Speaker B: Facebook. Facebook messenger, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Facebook Messenger. I know they're using Facebook Messenger. A lot of. [02:49:34] Speaker F: Yeah, but. But, you know, that's where I would venture you should start. I know. Roscala, we're getting close to the. The cutoff time for your. The show to end. So, you know, I wish you the best of luck. But again, the. The first thing I would do is initiate a civil litigation and subpoena all their records. [02:49:54] Speaker B: I will do so. And I can personally subpoena them or just. I have to motion that to the judge. [02:49:59] Speaker F: Subpoena. You just, you know, go on Internet, find out. Yeah, I'll find it, subpoena, and just take it to the courthouse and have it registered with there, and then you have them served. You're gonna have to have it. That document served by the court. The court will. You know, you pay the court, and they'll. They'll have a sheriff go out there and serve them. [02:50:17] Speaker B: Gotcha Yes, I get you. Yes. Okay. Very good. Very good. Jerry. Thank you so, so much. Because this information is important to know to. In order for loved ones that are left behind from this devastation. Because it's just about closure for me now. I need closure. I was his son, and I deserve that. And he deserves for me to have that because he was a great father, a great husband, and a great man, and. And I'm not going to settle for anything less. I'm sorry. And I hope that doesn't offend anybody, but that's the way it is for me. [02:50:49] Speaker F: Yeah. Well, you know, if you believe that, then I would go headstrong into to, you know, developing a case against them and, you know, justice for your father. [02:51:00] Speaker B: Yes, sir. He deserves it. [02:51:04] Speaker C: Okay, thank you. [02:51:06] Speaker B: Thank you, Jerry. I appreciate you so much. Jerry, thank you so much. [02:51:10] Speaker F: You take care. [02:51:11] Speaker C: God bless you, buddy. [02:51:12] Speaker B: Yes. [02:51:14] Speaker C: All right. Well, you got some options, huh? [02:51:16] Speaker B: Wow, Stephen, that's incredible. That's incredible. This is all information that I wouldn't have thought of on my own or thought to research on how to get where I need to go. Right. [02:51:30] Speaker C: So a couple more options now. [02:51:32] Speaker B: Yeah, this is huge because this is really big because I'll be working at it for this, this weekend, making sure Monday morning, those complaints. I already started Steven Pepe's. It's ready 15 pages long right now, and I have another 30 to add to it tonight. That's a lot of circumstantial evidence. Yes. Me, I'm just saying. [02:51:57] Speaker C: Robert says he hopes you get justice for your father and yourself. [02:52:01] Speaker B: Thank you. [02:52:02] Speaker C: That's all I want. Awesome. All right, my friend. [02:52:07] Speaker B: All right. [02:52:07] Speaker C: I'm running down on the town on the time, and I'm gonna go ahead and let you. Any final, final thoughts you want to share before we go? [02:52:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I learned this week that it's not the whole judicial system. It's not all of law enforcement. That's what. What, what they would like you to believe. The actors that may be in your case don't buy into it, don't believe it, because there are a lot of good people out there. And for a long time, I didn't feel that way. And I'm starting to really see that as my actors run to hide, I'm. It's. The sunlight is starting to come in again, and I'm seeing all the good again. So. Yeah. So it's very important for people to know that, not to give up. [02:52:55] Speaker C: Amen. Well, I wish you the best and thank God. [02:52:57] Speaker B: Right? [02:52:59] Speaker C: Amen. And Ted. Ted, you've Been awful quiet the whole time. [02:53:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:53:03] Speaker C: Thank you. Hanging out. [02:53:04] Speaker G: Thank you for letting me come on. [02:53:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:53:06] Speaker C: I do appreciate you hanging out and listening and adding probably 1%, maybe a half percent. [02:53:14] Speaker B: Ted. Ted knows about a thousand percent of my case, so. Yeah, he'll be at my trials. [02:53:21] Speaker C: Well, I wish you well, both of you, and keep me updated and we'll sure will. [02:53:26] Speaker B: And thank you for having me again. Thank you for having me again, Stephen. I appreciate you. [02:53:30] Speaker C: We'll have a therapist, be an archive on the Rumble site. If you go to Rumble. Trim radio on Rumble, you'll find an archive. If you want an archive of it. [02:53:38] Speaker B: Yes, sir, I sure do. [02:53:41] Speaker C: If you want a copy of the file, the video, the audio file, I can get you a copy of just the audio, not the video, but just the audio if you want that. So just let me know. [02:53:52] Speaker B: I appreciate it very much, Stephen. [02:53:54] Speaker C: Yes, sir. I wish you the best, my friend. [02:53:56] Speaker B: Thank you, Stephen. I appreciate you very much. And God bless. [02:53:59] Speaker C: Thanks. [02:54:00] Speaker B: Okay. Have a great night. [02:54:01] Speaker C: Thank you. All right, guys. I appreciate you guys hanging out with me tonight. This is a. It's a sad story when you don't have your things in a. You know, lined up correctly. The law can. Can just be such a deterrent to trying to get you to. To resolve something, you know, to your. To your best benefit. Yeah. Thomas. Ben. Run through the mill repeatedly. There's a. There's a. I saw this guy say this joke. I hope I get it right. There's a. There's only two things in life you have to worry about. I don't know if you've heard this before. There's only two things in life you have to worry about. Whether you're. Whether you're healthy or whether you're sick. Yeah, you got nothing to worry about. But if you're sick, you got two things to worry about. Are you going to get better or you're going to get worse? Well, if you're gonna get better, you got nothing to worry about. But if you're gonna get worse, you got two things to worry about. Are you gonna live or are you gonna die? Well, if you're gonna live, you got nothing to worry about. But if you're gonna die, well, now you got something to worry about. You got two things to worry about. Are you going to go to heaven or you're going to go to hell? Well, if you go to heaven, you got nothing to worry about. But if you go to hell, you got two things to worry about. Original or extra crispy. That's good. My behind off. When I first heard that, it was one of the funniest things in the world. [02:55:30] Speaker B: That's so true. [02:55:31] Speaker C: That's crazy. And. And we're. We're surrounded. Let me see if I can play this real quick. This is. I can't confirm this is real, but if this is real, this just shows you do how far along we've come. [02:55:44] Speaker F: Hey y' all. [02:55:45] Speaker B: This new Huawei technology is absolutely out of this world. You can take files like photos from one phone, grab it and move it over with just your hand. And that's not it. Just wait. You can also pass the file to someone else's hand and they can put it in the new device. And look at this right here. You can pass it to. To multiple different people and still receive the message. Is the data being downloaded in their bodies. And this part right here, I don't know if I fully believe because she passes this message through multiple floors of a building through different people's hands. [02:56:26] Speaker F: Bro. [02:56:27] Speaker B: Look how they keep dapping up each other. That's dumb. Transferring the data is Huawei using the people's body to store it. I need to know how the hell is this working. Arthur C. Clark wasn't lying when he said that technology will be indistinguishable from magic. [02:56:48] Speaker C: Isn't that crazy? Is advancing at this. Fastest paced ever in history. [02:56:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I was. [02:56:55] Speaker C: When I was a computer technician before I finally left, technology was. Was doubling at the rate of every four months. Every four months. Technology was. And now I'm sure it's within days now because now they have the. The supercomputers and they have the AIs running. So I'm sure it's even faster than that. [02:57:15] Speaker B: Sure is. [02:57:16] Speaker C: It's crazy. [02:57:17] Speaker B: Yep. It really is. Yeah, it is. It's definitely a very quick process now. [02:57:26] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [02:57:27] Speaker B: I'm experiencing that, by the way. [02:57:31] Speaker C: All right, people. Well, I want to thank all of you for tuning in tonight. I appreciate you hanging out with us. I'll be back in a week. And Lord willing and the crick don't rise with my friend Mr. Tony. We'll see you then. [02:57:41] Speaker B: Good night. [02:57:43] Speaker C: Good night. [02:57:57] Speaker D: Take the red pill, Take the blue pill. Take the red pill. Take the blue pill. Take the red pill, Take the blue pill. Take the red pill. Take the blue pill. Take the red pill. Take the blue pill. Take the red pill. Take the blue pill. You take the red pill and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your left chest chance. This is your last chance. This is your life chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, the story ends? You wake up in your bed? And believe whatever you want to believe? Take the red pill? Take the red pill? Take the red pill? Take the red pill? Take the red pill? Take the red pill? Take the red pill? Take the red? You stay in wonderland? You stay in wonderland? I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes? Goes, go.